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linda moltenhau is an investigative

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journalist and an award-winning

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documentary filmmaker particularly

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lauded for her early coverage of the

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taboo topic of cattle mutilations click

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on the time stamp in the description if

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you'd like to skip this intro my name is

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filmmaker with a background in

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mathematical physics dedicated to the

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explication of the variegated terrain of

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well as analyzing consciousness and

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seeing its potential connection to

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fundamental reality whatever that is

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essentially this channel is dedicated to

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exploring the underrived nature of

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reality the constitutional laws that

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govern it provided those laws exist at

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hi linda how are you

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hi kurt i also heard that it was

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i also heard you turn 45 yesterday so

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80 revolutions around the sun

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my brother and i were celebrating in

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santa fe and we had a wonderful time and

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i am so grateful because the number

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doesn't mean anything to me i've never

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felt stronger oh great i have ever had

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more energy

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feeling that i am so close

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to being alive when the headline hits

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that we're not alone in this universe

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it's it's preposterous that that still

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so it is

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interesting to me

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that at this point that

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my vitality and energy for doing 18-hour

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is probably better than it ever was

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did you happen to see any of the

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theories of everything podcast prior to

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no and i still haven't and it's not

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being rude to you it is your confidence

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the same thing you experienced that uh i

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literally do work 18-hour days all of

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well thank you for not under duress it's

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just so much okay if you can see or hear

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this type in

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blue eyes chaos max dragon into the live

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chat blue eyes chaos max dragon

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we're live linda welcome

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just making sure it's all copacetic on

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my end okay

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so linda i watched a strange harvest and

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i saw there was this lady who via

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hypnotherapy was able to see a cow being

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abducted and i'm wondering if there are

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any other cases of people seeing a

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cattle being mutilated or being taken

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but not in some post-induced altered

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probably one of the most interesting

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aspects at the beginning of the research

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when i started calling sheriffs and

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deputies

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back in for the first time september of

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i was provoked by headlines that were in

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colorado newspapers and television using

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the word

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animal mutilations returned

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and i had been doing medical programming

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for the abc station in boston

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have moved to denver and was hired to be

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director of special projects but i was

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personally not aware of the animal

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mutilation phenomena having been working

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boston so that when i saw these

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the first thing that i did was contact

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sheriffs in some of the counties that

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graves up in logan county in colorado

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drove up for a probably it was about a

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three or four hour meeting

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in which he brought out polaroids

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and he had been investigating animal

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mutilation since uh i think it was 1970

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or 71 and i'm now a decade later in his

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asking him as director of special

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it was sheriff tex graves who told me

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linda i'll save you some time

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the perpetrators are creatures from

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and then he began to tell me why which

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included his own interviews with

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ranchers that he had gone out to

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investigate

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bloodless trackless mutilations who said

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i saw a beam

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circular in the night sky

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it was coming down into the pasture

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the rancher would say i was terrified

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ran back to the ranch house and then

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went out and there was

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one of his cattle

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bloodlessly

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mutilated meaning an ear

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is taken

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on the sky facing the animals are

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and it's the sky facing that always is

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where the ear is taken

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the eye is taken sometimes a circle of

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flesh around the eye

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the jaw like a key hole

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they called it the keyhole cut where

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it's like this

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and everything is removed

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and fresh shining bone

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and was one of the points that

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sheriff tex graves said not only were

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the ranchers reporting that they were

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seeing beams of light coming into their

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pasture where they would find a

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mutilated animal but you can ask a

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veterinarian how would you get

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when of the only way to get a jawbone

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clean and polished is to boil

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and that is not happening between in the

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hours between the day and when they're

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and when this one particular rancher the

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sheriff tex graves was saying

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saw the beam of light

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discussions with other sheriffs and

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where they would be talking with a

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rancher who would say

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they saw an animal rise in the beam of

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talking about the early 70s so you have

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human testimony of what they have seen

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video recordings or photographs

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i think it was the sheriff tex graves

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linda i'll save you some time

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the perpetrators are creatures from

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and that was to me the most shocking

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statement to me in the very first

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interview with a sheriff that i

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conducted

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did the person see an eight a cattle a

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cow going up or he just saw the beam at

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that point

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that particular rancher saw the beam

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others would then

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later on tell me about how they saw an

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animal rise

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or be lowered and in

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high strangeness

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and in facts and eyewitnesses it's a

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two-volume book

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there is a story

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and that was an eyewitness that i was

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able to interview

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he was working as a ranch hand was

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staying out in a trailer house where

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some cattle that might

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be giving birth and so he would stay out

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to help if anything happened with the

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was uh he started hearing a sound and

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couldn't understand what he was hearing

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on a clear night it sounded like

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branches breaking and he left the

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and to his complete and total

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astonishment

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he was seeing

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a light there was a beam but cattle were

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dropping

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from whatever this light was in the sky

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they were dropping down through the

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trees breaking branches and it was like

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11 animals that he himself watched drop

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from the sky

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and that was

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in southeastern oregon and it's one of

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the

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cases that i have documented by talking

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with him and others who were in oregon

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at the time

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and the animal mutilations have had

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cyclings in certain areas whether it's

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the united states canada mexico central

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what do you mean

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it is a global phenomena that cycles

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if uh

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in this instance like i can think of

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times

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well there was a rancher named blazing

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game

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and he had a big ranch that was north of

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colorado springs in colorado

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and i interviewed him when i was working

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on my documentary as strange

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harvest and

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then about three years later

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he called me at the station and he said

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i want you to know that hill pasture

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that we talked about where i had the

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mutilations he said this year i decided

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i was not going to put any cattle on

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that hill pasture and linda this is the

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first year

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in four years i have not had a

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mutilation

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and that has always been to me another

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one of those data points that has been

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puzzling

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that you get the sense in the animal

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mutilations as if there was a grid on

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the planet

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and that certain latitude longitudes

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would continue to repeat over time

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where a rancher would say i had the

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mutilations on in this pasture and no

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other pastures

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on that hill pasture

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and that is also a puzzle why do you

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think that is

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well if we are dealing with

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extraterrestrial biological entities as

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their approach to our planet

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could be

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let's say let's say because one of the

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hypotheses is

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that the reason for the animal

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mutilations relates to the fact that the

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gray beings that have been re probably

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reported more than any other in

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abductions and have been seen

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two cowboys

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in colorado

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they were reported and called the

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sheriff

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that they saw

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two small gray beings literally float in

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the air up over a corral fence and down

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into a corral scared them and they ran

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away and then they come back and there

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is a mutilated cow in the corral so they

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that

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one of the hypotheses

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is that

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all these different types that are

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reported around the world

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grey types reptilian types tall blondes

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tall whites all of these different types

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of beings

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that there may be

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an evolutionary

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relationship between

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say grays that may have been working on

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our planet for centuries maybe thousands

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and thousands of years

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we

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are a species that has only existed on

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earth for 45 000 years in the crossfade

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with neanderthalensis

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so we would not have any firsthand

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information about what was happening on

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our earth in terms of

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extraterrestrials and animal mutilations

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a prior to let's say the 20th century

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and one of the hypotheses is that the

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harvest may be because there are certain

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chemicals

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that beings that have been on this

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planet for

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millennia

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may have developed that they had a need

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for something

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to be healthy

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and that can only get it from earth life

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and that that is why there is this

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periodic

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cyclic global harvest of blood and

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tissue from animals both

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domestic

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and wild the

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forest service had photographs of deer

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elk

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other places kangaroos

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reindeer are there ever small animals

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cats cut in half

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all over the planet

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usually leaving

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the front half more than the back half

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no blood inside no organs inside that's

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part of the animal mutilations

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a marmot

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to me

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uh it was a forest service guy and he

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found the marmot laid out on a rock

413
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and it had the same ear

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eye

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jaw so here's this little animal that

416
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had the same excisions as the larger

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um no because

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i think

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well what category would you put a

420
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kangaroo in mammal

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okay

422
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there have been uh snakes

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in england

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that had been found where a fox was

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mutilated or a

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rabbit was mutilated and then they would

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find

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nearby a reptile snake that was cut with

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organs

430
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removed very specifically from inside

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the snake

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with no blood and no fluid and

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completely dry

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you mentioned that there was a report of

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two greys and then they came and floated

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and i imagine that they're floating

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without a beam so the beam was to bring

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up a cow to make a cow float so they can

439
00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:12,079
float on their own without

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light let's say is there a difference

441
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between a ground mutilation and one that

442
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i don't know beyond the fact that in

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myerfiles.com

444
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i have about 3 000 in-depth reports in

445
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science and environment and real x-files

446
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and there is a fascinating report

447
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where there were two men they had gone

448
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out to hunt

449
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and

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they uh were in sleeping bags

451
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and they both become aware

452
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that

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of a sleeping bag the other watches and

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then they both

455
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find themselves inside of a craft

456
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and that was a case where

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a cow

458
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was all hooked up to tubes to a strange

459
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technology

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and their testimony was that

461
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telepathically that they were receiving

462
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information from a clearly looking

463
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standing up

464
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alligator lizard

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type

466
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this is what we do

467
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we

468
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are removing the fluids

469
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it's the only case that i know of where

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there was a

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effort to try to communicate to humans

472
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who were watching

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a process of lifting this was a cow

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going up in a beam of light

475
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that the hunters saw

476
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and then showing what had happened now

477
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why that would be

478
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that is part of the mystery why is it

479
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that the for the most part animal

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mutilations have taken place around the

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planet usually in what would be the dark

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hours of night that would be the general

483
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and then the animals found in the

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morning

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but in these cases which are not many

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where there have been humans who see the

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beam

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in this case

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the only case i know where two men are

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then up inside of the craft and being

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shown this is what we do

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00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:27,760
why did that happen and why hasn't it

493
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happened on lots of other cases

494
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it is part of the mystery

495
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of non-human intelligences who have been

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interacting with this planet from

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government uh testimony to me from

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people who have worked in nsacia

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saying

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as one man told me in december of 1999

501
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he was retiring from the defense

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intelligence agency

503
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and we had a seven-hour meeting that

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took a month to put together

505
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and he said

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that

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the whole issue of how long

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all of this had been going on he said

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our government

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has proof

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that three extraterrestrial

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civilizations

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have been competing with each other and

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in conflict on our planet for at least

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270 million years

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and when i said what is the proof

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he said linda if i told you

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it would be a danger to you and to me

519
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both

520
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but 270 million years

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is going back before the time of the

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did they give any indication that the

523
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cows were being lowered slower when you

524
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said that they heard rustling when the

525
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cows were being lowered into some ground

526
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are they being are they being dropped

527
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are they being lowered slowly

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i've heard both

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uh the one in uh oregon

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that was the first hand uh the cowboy

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watching because he heard the breaking

532
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limbs and sees the animals dropping he

533
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:06,400
could see a beam but they were being

534
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dropped

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from the beam through the trees

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other cases

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people see they like the linda porter

538
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:17,039
case that you mentioned

539
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,080
she and her daughter see a calf rising

540
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up in a beam of light and then they find

541
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themselves in the craft with gray beings

542
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,080
that are taking

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thin slices from testicles and other

544
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organs

545
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,080
that they associate with the calf that

546
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they saw go up in the beam of light

547
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,559
so you have variations on

548
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watching something

549
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:43,520
be lowered

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i've had cases they've seen it lowered

551
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:48,240
all the way but the rancher becomes

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terrified and runs back to a ranch house

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00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:53,360
and does not come back to that pasture

554
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till the sun is up and then they find a

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mutilated animal other people see them

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00:22:01,510 --> 00:22:00,000
dropped

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00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:01,520
and

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00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,120
for the most part the vast majority

559
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don't see either

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00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:09,760
they find the animals

561
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:11,919
what's meant precisely when you say that

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there is no blood i've heard this many

563
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:15,280
times so does that mean that if i was to

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take my finger and touch the inside that

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00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,360
it would come out without any red or is

566
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it just that there isn't a drastic

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00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:24,880
amount of blood it's radically reduced

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00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:27,120
uh you have uh

569
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one or two of my books and you look at

570
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the photographs and you see

571
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an excision

572
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:34,640
eye

573
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:35,679
ear

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the jaw the genitals the rectum over and

575
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:41,679
over thousands and thousands of photos

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00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:44,320
around the world the same

577
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:47,919
there's not even fluid there's no blood

578
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:50,320
there's no blood oozing there's no blood

579
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:51,760
on the ground

580
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:52,840
everything

581
00:23:05,270 --> 00:22:59,590
i don't

582
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:05,280
animal mutilation case

583
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,080
uh

584
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:08,880
because usually in 90 of the cases the

585
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:15,029
and that means it's a hole

586
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:16,880
and there's no blood and there's no

587
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:17,840
fluid

588
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,000
and as a lot of sheriffs have said to me

589
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:22,320
it felt like sandpaper to touch the

590
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:23,280
tissue

591
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,070
you mentioned that trump knows more

592
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:30,320
about ufos than he lets on why do you

593
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,870
oh i guess it's because i have had

594
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,640
conversations with people who have

595
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,720
worked in intel agencies during the

596
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:42,960
trump administration

597
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:45,360
and they have said that the current

598
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,039
administration

599
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:49,919
knows more than they're saying and it

600
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:53,120
was in the context of my asking

601
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,039
do you think that

602
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,200
uh president trump

603
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:59,360
will be the

604
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,200
administration to announce that we're

605
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,200
not alone in this universe

606
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:05,360
and so that would be the discussion and

607
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:06,640
then

608
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:08,960
people would say well he knows more than

609
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:13,430
so i'm just going through my notes here

610
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,919
you mentioned ones that are at least at

611
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,240
least once that arts parts will levitate

612
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:19,919
in the presence of a certain magnetic

613
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:21,520
field and i'm assuming that's at room

614
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:23,600
temperature now what makes you say this

615
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:26,480
where did you get that from

616
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:29,279
the bismuth magnesium zinc layered

617
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,909
it

618
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,279
came in

619
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:37,440
two sections

620
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:41,120
uh it was 1996 april

621
00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:42,000
and

622
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,840
i was doing uh

623
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,799
probably two

624
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,039
two to three programs with art bell

625
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:52,080
almost every month at that time

626
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:53,440
and

627
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:54,720
the first

628
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:57,679
shipment that came with a metal that i

629
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:00,799
got to alcoa aluminum

630
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:03,600
to find out what it was because we

631
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:06,400
figured it was aluminum and alcoa came

632
00:25:10,190 --> 00:25:09,039
back and said where did you get this

633
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:10,200
it's

634
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:11,760
99.74

635
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,080
pure aluminum and we don't manufacture

636
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:17,039
aluminum at this purity

637
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:18,799
and then

638
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:21,200
within two or three weeks after getting

639
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,880
the aluminum and my starting the

640
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:24,640
research and reporting

641
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:27,279
pretty much pretty regularly with art on

642
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,840
coast to coast and another show we did

643
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:31,919
called dreamland

644
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:34,320
came another shipment

645
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:38,400
and by then i had established with a

646
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,400
professor that i knew

647
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,400
through crop circle investigations at

648
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:44,480
the university of michigan

649
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,440
we got a second box and it was clearly

650
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:49,200
more complex

651
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:52,240
layered pieces silver on one side black

652
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:53,679
on the other

653
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,159
and i called the professor at the

654
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,159
university of michigan and said we've

655
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,159
got a second box

656
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,880
can you take a look at a piece i'm going

657
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,120
to send you and see if we can

658
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:07,279
get elements

659
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:10,000
do some electron microscopy all of which

660
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:13,120
he could do at the university

661
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:16,400
that led to in my books you see the

662
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:17,919
analysis

663
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:19,360
that it was

664
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:24,549
a layer

665
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:27,440
in one of the layers in the silver and

666
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:28,720
black

667
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:33,039
and the 97.6 percent was magnesium

668
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,440
2.4 percent zinc

669
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,760
so it was like an alloy in one layer

670
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,440
that was silver

671
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:41,200
the next layer

672
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:43,679
was only one to four microns it was

673
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,440
extremely thin and it was bismuth

674
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:49,200
so we had

675
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:51,440
alternating layers

676
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:53,679
of bismuth magnesium

677
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:54,559
with

678
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:55,440
uh

679
00:27:02,230 --> 00:26:58,559
with a magnesium zinc with bismuth

680
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:02,240
approximately 26 layers making these

681
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,960
silver and black pieces that were maybe

682
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:06,640
a little less than a quarter of an inch

683
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:13,990
as soon as i began reporting what the

684
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:17,679
professor was finding in terms of the

685
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:20,640
elements i started getting

686
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,520
phone calls and emails from people

687
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,679
saying

688
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:27,360
we know from

689
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:30,559
our research that what you have

690
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:31,520
is

691
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:34,000
uh going to be from the bottom of a

692
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:35,360
craft

693
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:37,600
well it turned out that we had a letter

694
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,440
that came

695
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:41,679
from a diary of

696
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:42,720
a

697
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,159
him on the phone

698
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:56,960
and he said my grandfather

699
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,360
said this was in one of the crashes in

700
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:00,960
47

701
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:04,240
and that he and men were assigned to

702
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,360
ring a wedge-shaped craft

703
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,000
that glowed with light underneath for

704
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:12,399
about four hours

705
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:15,039
and essentially that the grandfather

706
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:17,200
left his

707
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:19,039
relative

708
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,000
this diary saying that he had done

709
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,480
something that would get anybody else in

710
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:26,640
real trouble he had gone over

711
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:29,200
and with his own hand had pulled some of

712
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,279
the bottom that was glowing of this

713
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:32,880
craft

714
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,960
and these are the pieces that were in a

715
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:36,799
box

716
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:37,679
and

717
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,960
so we had

718
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,559
the diary

719
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,799
that said that the

720
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:44,559
black and silver pieces came from the

721
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:47,120
bottom of a wedge-shaped craft

722
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:48,399
and

723
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,799
eventually within a very short period of

724
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:53,360
time of my reporting these various

725
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:56,240
pieces and questions on the air what

726
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:57,440
could this be

727
00:29:02,470 --> 00:28:59,440
hal put off

728
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:02,480
who is a physicist who has worked on

729
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,440
many many ufo-related subjects

730
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:07,600
he got in touch with me and said linda i

731
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:11,039
would like to be able to study this

732
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:14,000
bismuth magnesium zinc material

733
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:15,760
and

734
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,200
people who were working in

735
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:21,120
semiconductors i started getting

736
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,240
requests

737
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:24,799
from a variety of different scientists

738
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:27,600
and then we started cutting pieces of

739
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:29,919
these originals so that i could send

740
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,520
them out with uh releases that everybody

741
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:35,840
would return what they were studying to

742
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:38,640
me which is how i kept them for the

743
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:39,840
pieces for

744
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,750
what i began to

745
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:47,840
realize that from the people who were

746
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:49,919
getting the material

747
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:52,720
and that i was working with

748
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:55,760
they started talking about we think that

749
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:57,279
this is

750
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,720
material

751
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,120
that interacts with a field

752
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:03,520
that would neutralize gravity

753
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:04,640
that's

754
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:09,919
of tests and reports

755
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:13,360
evolving into people saying

756
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:16,640
this material in a field but what is the

757
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:17,679
field

758
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,279
we never were able to demonstrate this

759
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:23,840
never but that was the context from

760
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,080
people who had other information that

761
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:28,320
the bismuth magnesium zinc so now jump

762
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,360
to today in 2022

763
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:34,080
there are all kinds of reports that have

764
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,360
been emerging in the last year or two

765
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:38,960
about bismuth

766
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:41,120
and magnesium

767
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:44,320
being one of the keys to certain kinds

768
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,919
of skins

769
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:47,520
that have been

770
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:49,760
verified in ufos

771
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:51,679
that would have some

772
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:54,720
relationship to neutralizing gravity

773
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:58,000
in very specific fields

774
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:01,600
so that's what's happened from 1996

775
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,279
up to 2022 an evolution

776
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:08,080
of a whole variety of researchers and

777
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,440
now today

778
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:11,039
there are people who are willing to say

779
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:12,159
that

780
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:13,919
i was looking into the research on this

781
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:15,519
and i couldn't find any published

782
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:17,840
research only reports of other people

783
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,399
like hal put off saying well it

784
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,720
it's right it displays anti-gravity

785
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,880
properties however a published piece of

786
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:26,880
research was by mick west

787
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:28,960
and he showed that some of the images of

788
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,880
the aluminum art parts

789
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:32,880
they looked like a fin sheet which was

790
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,039
found in car radiators and around the

791
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,039
year 19

792
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,360
25 i don't know what you're re i do not

793
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:40,960
know what you're referring to i know

794
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,080
that uh my work with the professor at

795
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:46,399
the university in michigan was the very

796
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:47,760
first work

797
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:50,880
there there was no no other and that was

798
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:53,440
done we had electron microscope

799
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:54,640
images

800
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,679
we had

801
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:57,679
microscope images

802
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,600
we were doing periodic table

803
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:03,600
element

804
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:05,519
analyses that

805
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:07,279
led to my

806
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,679
talking with art and saying look i would

807
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:12,000
like to find out

808
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,159
from somebody who uh where we could do

809
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:18,399
um an um

810
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:20,240
ion microprobe

811
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:23,200
which is a very sophisticated instrument

812
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:25,840
and find out if there is anything in the

813
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,399
magnesium that might be outside of what

814
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:30,559
is considered normal magnesium on the

815
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:31,440
earth

816
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:33,919
and that is one of the elements that had

817
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:36,640
come up in other ufo stories in previous

818
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,679
years

819
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:39,760
where a famous case down in south

820
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,080
america there was a magnesium dropped

821
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:44,960
from a ufo onto a beach and it turned

822
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:47,200
out that one of the reports was that it

823
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:50,559
was not earth-based ratios

824
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:54,399
well that led to art and i uh split the

825
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,760
cost of it i remember it was an 850 bill

826
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,360
and we split it

827
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:02,000
for me to go to carnegie institute in

828
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,519
washington dc that had at that time in

829
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:07,840
july of 1996

830
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,640
the only ion microprobe that would be

831
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:12,159
able to do

832
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:15,200
a study of the magnesium

833
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:16,799
and the bismuth

834
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:17,840
and

835
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:22,070
the

836
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:26,720
and

837
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:29,360
it was about a seven or eight hour that

838
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:32,080
i was there at carnegie institute

839
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:35,120
and at one point i remember the ion

840
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:39,279
microprobe uh technical guy said

841
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:40,399
you know

842
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,679
i don't think

843
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:43,760
in all of my work here i do not think

844
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:47,120
i've ever looked at a thin bismuth layer

845
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,159
like this one to four microns

846
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:52,799
where i did not find also led adams

847
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,279
present because on a periodic table

848
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,120
bismuth and lead are right next to each

849
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,000
other and they would normally find some

850
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:02,559
led with bismuth and with regard to that

851
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:04,240
in particular i'm sorry to interrupt i

852
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:05,440
just want to

853
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:08,079
hurry this along so mick west and hit

854
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,679
and um you're saying that you haven't

855
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:11,679
seen the analysis by mick west

856
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,119
and from my reading of it it seems like

857
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:17,040
what's been displayed in arts parts at

858
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,639
least part of it

859
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,720
is like i mentioned what can be found in

860
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:22,960
fin sheet and car radiators in the 1920s

861
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:24,879
and there's a

862
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,359
no the refinement of

863
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:29,040
if i could just finish

864
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:32,560
finish on the ion microprobe uh it's the

865
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,839
uh it's the most sophisticated uh

866
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:36,960
technical

867
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:40,000
apparatus and we were looking at the

868
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:42,879
purity or the percentage in the bismuth

869
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:45,280
layer the zinc layer and the magnesium

870
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,639
layer that's not easy to do and the ion

871
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,119
microprobe that day when i said it we

872
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:53,760
used it for seven or eight hours

873
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:57,200
and that uh when eric howery was the

874
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,079
iron microprobe technician and he was

875
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,560
talking about how the bismuth was pure

876
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:05,119
that he was not finding lead

877
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:08,480
and it turned out that the magnesium

878
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:09,920
had 11

879
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:13,680
more magnesium 24 than our baseline

880
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:17,359
magnesium we were using as a comparison

881
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,599
that wasn't enough to kick it into this

882
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:21,839
is automatically extraterrestrial

883
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,040
magnesium but it was definitely unusual

884
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:27,520
enough for him he wrote up a report

885
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,400
which i have published in my books

886
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:32,240
talked about

887
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,280
so the

888
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:35,760
the elemental compositions of those

889
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:37,839
layers and knowing that the bismuth was

890
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:41,599
one to four microns this is very thin

891
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:44,320
making up these layers

892
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:45,520
this was

893
00:36:08,710 --> 00:35:46,320
a

894
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:08,720
the next level

895
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:11,760
of doing agreements where i would send

896
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:14,720
out some of this magnesium bismuth zinc

897
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,760
to them

898
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:17,280
to do tests

899
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:18,000
and

900
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,680
definitely unusual this is not some

901
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,079
deposition as some people tried to say

902
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,720
oh it's just a layered deposition from a

903
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:30,960
lab no no

904
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:34,480
that's not true i had a notebook i think

905
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:39,599
i ended up at the end of 1996 with 119

906
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:43,760
people and labs that i had gone to

907
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:45,920
getting information about the bismuth

908
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:49,359
magnesium zinc and it included a man and

909
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:52,560
a exotic metals manufacturer in new york

910
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:53,440
city

911
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:56,160
and when i told him what we had found at

912
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,079
the university of michigan

913
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,040
and in carnegie institute in terms of

914
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:03,359
what these layers were i remember the

915
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:06,079
man laughed and said

916
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:07,440
look

917
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,040
i can tell you

918
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:11,280
you you can't put

919
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,240
bismuth and magnesium together

920
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,480
they will delaminate

921
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:17,760
and so

922
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:21,040
we had uh we had the hard

923
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,440
evidence of what they were made of and

924
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:25,280
what the layers were and how pure they

925
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:26,240
were

926
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:29,520
but metal exotic metal manufacturer

927
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,599
couldn't even recognize how you would

928
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,680
put bismuth and magnesium together in

929
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:35,200
layers

930
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:36,640
have you heard of the betterton cruel

931
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:37,599
process

932
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:40,720
or has anyone mentioned that to you

933
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,119
say that again betterton kroll so it was

934
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,680
invented around the 1920s

935
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,760
and it was a way and it still is a way

936
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:50,160
of refining lead to produce similar

937
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,280
amounts of

938
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,440
ratios that have been reported and see

939
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,680
when i watch a show like forensic files

940
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,599
sometimes i see

941
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,800
anyone can do that you can just watch

942
00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:00,000
the show forensic files sometimes you'll

943
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,680
see these experts and they'll say this i

944
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:03,119
don't know where this came from this is

945
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:04,560
not even from

946
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,560
this is and i'm an expert in the field

947
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,400
that i've never seen either this

948
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,800
isotopic ratio or this amount of

949
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,960
percentage of elements in it and then

950
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:14,720
there's some pedestrian explanation

951
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,200
afterward so even experts can

952
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:19,119
can miss so that's why i'm wondering if

953
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:28,230
it is a lead analysis process

954
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,839
no it's a refinement it's a refinement

955
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,880
process that was invented around the

956
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:34,400
1920s or so

957
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:35,839
no i mean

958
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:38,320
you're so far afield

959
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,000
from the fundamental original research

960
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:44,000
that was done at the university of

961
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:45,040
michigan

962
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:48,000
and then carnegie institute

963
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:50,720
of pure bismuth

964
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:53,520
in one to four micron layers

965
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:55,040
and then

966
00:38:58,829 --> 00:38:56,079
zinc

967
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:58,839
2.4 percent

968
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:01,440
magnesium 96

969
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:02,400
percent

970
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:03,359
given

971
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:09,190
and that was repeated at carnegie

972
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:11,359
institute

973
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:15,359
so the only elements present

974
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,119
in these layers

975
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,280
were the bismuth

976
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:21,920
thin one to four micron layer

977
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,680
with the magnesium zinc

978
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:27,680
alternating

979
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:29,280
very regularly

980
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,119
black bismuth silver magnesium zinc

981
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:35,680
a whole series like a torque cake

982
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:38,560
but only a quarter of an inch high

983
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:41,440
because the layers the bismuth was so

984
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:42,400
thin

985
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:44,960
i understand and those those

986
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,480
what i'm saying is that was the 1996

987
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:50,880
original hard evidence that would hold

988
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:53,040
up in a court of law

989
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:56,000
uh this is all that is in these layered

990
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,950
so what's happening with those meta

991
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:02,640
materials right now are they simply

992
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:05,040
sitting around is the krata agreement

993
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:13,589
i had uh the medals

994
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:16,160
working with hal put off and with others

995
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:17,440
up to

996
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,680
uh august of 2018. so i started

997
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:23,440
those years in

998
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:26,319
april of 1996

999
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:29,440
and by 2018

1000
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:32,800
hal put off had joined with tom delonge

1001
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:33,760
and

1002
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:38,720
stars group where they

1003
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:41,839
had a goal that they would take

1004
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:44,480
they would have money raise money

1005
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:45,520
to have

1006
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:48,640
exotic technologies

1007
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:51,280
examined and then reported to the white

1008
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,920
world as opposed to being constantly

1009
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,839
covered up in the black world that was

1010
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:58,079
the concept

1011
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:01,520
and hal uh put off asked me

1012
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:04,640
in uh he'd had the bismuth magnesium

1013
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:05,599
zinc

1014
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:10,000
three different times had written up

1015
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,680
his analysis for me that i had reported

1016
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,760
and is in my books

1017
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:17,040
and

1018
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:18,400
jacques vallee

1019
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:20,720
in 2017

1020
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:23,359
he had a piece of bismuth magnesium zinc

1021
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,319
from me for most of that year

1022
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:29,040
and by then it was because if you go

1023
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:33,599
from 1996 to 2017 to 2018

1024
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:36,400
there had been more and more information

1025
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:40,720
about the role that bismuth might play

1026
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,720
in terms of neutralizing gravity

1027
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:46,720
and so people who had had the bismuth

1028
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,440
magnesium zinc 20 years earlier we're

1029
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:51,839
now coming back and saying we want to

1030
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:54,880
study it more for x y and z

1031
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,520
and by that time how put off had written

1032
00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:59,280
to me and said

1033
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,760
i would like to see a study

1034
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,920
of the bismuth magnesium zinc layered

1035
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:05,200
material

1036
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,079
subjected to terahertz frequency

1037
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,000
he said i think that if we could

1038
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:12,560
generate terahertz frequency at this

1039
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:15,119
specific level that this could turn into

1040
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,800
a lifting body

1041
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:19,040
and terahertz frequency had not even

1042
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:22,560
been in the discussion in the 90s

1043
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:23,599
it came

1044
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,560
in those 2017-2018

1045
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,079
years

1046
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:30,319
and it was also associated terahertz

1047
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,960
frequency had come up in one of the

1048
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,720
reports about what might have happened

1049
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,119
at bentwaters in england when john

1050
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:39,599
burroughs and others had had encounters

1051
00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:42,079
with lights and there was a report that

1052
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,200
was finally released in the

1053
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,319
2012-2013 period

1054
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:48,160
talking specifically

1055
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,960
about ufos emitting terahertz frequency

1056
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:54,720
that probably had to do with

1057
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,440
neutralizing gravity but what they had

1058
00:43:02,470 --> 00:42:59,200
learned

1059
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:02,480
was that terahertz frequency

1060
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:04,720
could damage human hearts

1061
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,760
or organs that had spaces in them like a

1062
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:09,440
heart does

1063
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:11,839
at certain levels in frequencies of

1064
00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:15,040
terahertz that had never been reported

1065
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:16,680
prior to

1066
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,839
2012 and 13.

1067
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,599
so coming up

1068
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,400
even further to 2017

1069
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:26,480
and 2018.

1070
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,240
hal had the bismuth magnesium zinc

1071
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:32,720
wanted to try to see if he could get

1072
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,280
terahertz frequency and they had done

1073
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,119
tests and they had not been able to

1074
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:39,119
generate the terahertz frequency that he

1075
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:40,480
wanted

1076
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,040
jacques valet had a company on the west

1077
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:45,280
coast they said they thought they could

1078
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:47,839
generate the terahertz frequency all of

1079
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,960
the year of 2017 jacques had trying and

1080
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,880
they couldn't

1081
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:55,200
then by then

1082
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:58,480
to the stars the group that included hal

1083
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,000
put off

1084
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:02,400
they came to me and said

1085
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,599
we have a variety of interests including

1086
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,599
other scientists who

1087
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,520
have information and we would like to be

1088
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:13,440
able to work with you as you have with

1089
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,000
hal and with jacques and others

1090
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:17,760
and we will have a piece of bismuth

1091
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:20,560
magnesium zinc and we will return it to

1092
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,680
you

1093
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:24,240
because we're now going to try to see if

1094
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:25,520
we can

1095
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:28,800
match hal's uh projection that if we got

1096
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,640
terahertz frequencies at of this very

1097
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:34,319
high level

1098
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:37,599
it could turn into a lifting body

1099
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:40,400
and long story sh you know long story

1100
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:42,079
short

1101
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:43,599
it's been going through all these

1102
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,920
different rounds of research and being

1103
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:47,359
returned to me

1104
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:51,520
and i got a call in the spring of 2018

1105
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:54,160
after to the stars had gotten a piece

1106
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:55,920
that was to come back to me and they

1107
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:57,520
said

1108
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,040
we still have not been able to find

1109
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,359
a civilian commercial lab that can

1110
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:05,839
project the terahertz frequency at the

1111
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:07,599
level we need

1112
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:11,839
but the united states army is interested

1113
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,760
linda we can make you a third party

1114
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:17,520
to the stars

1115
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,319
and me and the army

1116
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:22,720
but we need to be able with your

1117
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:23,920
agreement

1118
00:45:30,829 --> 00:45:28,319
me to keep returning the pieces to me

1119
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:30,839
over all these years

1120
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,119
that if you want to be a third party

1121
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:37,520
we want to send the bismuth magnesium

1122
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:39,920
zinc layered piece to the army

1123
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:41,440
because they think that they can

1124
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:45,200
generate the terahertz frequency

1125
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:47,680
and i asked them could i think about it

1126
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,839
for 24 hours

1127
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:51,920
and i thought

1128
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:52,720
if

1129
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:53,920
anybody

1130
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,359
ends up in

1131
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:57,760
an agreement with any of the military

1132
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,119
branches of the united states

1133
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:03,520
i could not really foresee

1134
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,319
the peace coming back to me

1135
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:08,640
and that's why i proposed that they sell

1136
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:09,760
it to me

1137
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:12,800
for all of the costs that i had incurred

1138
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:17,119
from 1996 to 2018 which was considerable

1139
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:20,880
i traveled i flew i took that

1140
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:22,000
so

1141
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,280
officially

1142
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,319
on one piece i still have another piece

1143
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,240
went from me to

1144
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:31,760
to the stars

1145
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:33,520
and they delivered the piece to the

1146
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:36,640
united states army which i am assuming

1147
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:40,079
it is still there but they're up to now

1148
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,800
if you and i are speaking in january of

1149
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:45,119
2022

1150
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:48,880
i have not heard of any breakthrough

1151
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:51,520
on testing the material

1152
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:54,839
with terahertz and it turning into

1153
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:59,440
an a body that would float

1154
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:00,640
if it has

1155
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:03,440
they're keeping it close to their chest

1156
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:06,560
i personally have no doubt

1157
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:09,440
that a physicist in 2014

1158
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:10,960
at a conference

1159
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:14,079
who came to me and said

1160
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:16,240
with a lot of noise around which was

1161
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:17,760
protective

1162
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:20,880
he said i just want you to know

1163
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:23,520
in the 1970s

1164
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,359
at area 51

1165
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,599
s4 underground

1166
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:29,359
he said i worked

1167
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:32,160
on the layered bismuth

1168
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,200
and

1169
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:35,760
magnesium zinc material

1170
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:37,839
this is in

1171
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:40,400
at s4 for everything i just said that

1172
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,920
bob lazar

1173
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,680
supposedly worked

1174
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:45,920
and and this physicist

1175
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,440
showed me proof

1176
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,440
that i cannot discuss

1177
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,359
about what he had done and where he had

1178
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:53,040
been

1179
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,640
and he said

1180
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:57,280
i had a piece

1181
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:00,559
of the bismuth magnesium zinc

1182
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:03,599
that was three feet by six feet linda

1183
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:06,319
it came off it was a skin of a

1184
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:09,760
wedge-shaped ufo the diary that came to

1185
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:12,319
art belle and me in 1996

1186
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:15,520
was typed that this was

1187
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:16,720
pulled off

1188
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:20,079
of the bottom skin of a wedge-shaped

1189
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,119
vehicle now the physicist is telling me

1190
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:25,200
that he had worked with a three foot by

1191
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:27,280
six foot

1192
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,720
piece

1193
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,920
and that

1194
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:31,599
its function

1195
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,960
was to be in parallel with a pure

1196
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,720
aluminum remember that was the first

1197
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:38,800
shipment the first shipment we got in

1198
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,200
april of 1996 was an aluminum that alcoa

1199
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,040
called me on and said where did you get

1200
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,480
this it was 97.6 or something percent

1201
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,480
pure aluminum and

1202
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:52,720
alcoa said we don't manufacture in this

1203
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:54,880
kind of purity

1204
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:57,920
and the physicist is the one who opened

1205
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,160
up for me why

1206
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,040
and why these two would have come in the

1207
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:05,760
different boxes from the grandfather

1208
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,319
the physicist said what we learned at

1209
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,319
area 51 s4

1210
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:12,960
is that it was the pure aluminum that

1211
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,480
had iridium

1212
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:17,040
placed atomically in it something we

1213
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:19,040
cannot do

1214
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:20,720
and it had

1215
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,000
the pure aluminum was the outside skin

1216
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:27,200
linda the bismuth magnesium zinc layered

1217
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:31,920
was an inside skin the two skins of the

1218
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:34,400
wedge-shaped objects

1219
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:35,280
then

1220
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:38,960
in some sort of creation or projection

1221
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,280
of the terahertz frequency by the craft

1222
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,760
with those two skins would turn it into

1223
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:47,599
a lifting body

1224
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:49,920
that was from a physicist

1225
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:53,359
who proved to me who he was

1226
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:57,760
who approached me in 2014. so this is a

1227
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:00,400
complicated timeline

1228
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:04,079
from 1996 getting the physical pieces

1229
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:07,520
the physicist in 2014 telling me what he

1230
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,480
was able to study and confirm

1231
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:11,920
at area

1232
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:13,680
51 s4

1233
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:16,880
and then getting to the year 2017 and

1234
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:20,319
2018 where chocolate and hal put off and

1235
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,839
to the stars

1236
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:23,599
wanted to study

1237
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:26,160
also for the same reason terahertz

1238
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:28,880
frequency mixed with that material could

1239
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:31,520
turn it into a lifting body but as we

1240
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,800
speak in january of 2022

1241
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,400
no one yet

1242
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:38,800
has publicly published anything

1243
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:44,790
i know that you don't know much about my

1244
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:47,280
background linda i

1245
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,319
i'm fairly naive in this subject my my

1246
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:51,920
knowledge is so rudimentary and there's

1247
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,599
so many names in so many places it's

1248
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:55,440
difficult for me to contextualize and

1249
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:58,480
make sense so if my questions

1250
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:59,680
are

1251
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:01,680
come across as as rude please forgive me

1252
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:02,800
it's just my

1253
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,559
my innocuous naivety okay so

1254
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,559
i sent you my book so you could see the

1255
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:10,880
photographs and on the bismuth magnitude

1256
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:13,280
and i will include a link to all of the

1257
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,640
books and what you've sent me in the

1258
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:16,800
description for people who would like to

1259
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:18,400
check them out so here's what i'm

1260
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:21,040
wondering when you sold the materials to

1261
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,040
tom de long it sounds like you were

1262
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:25,040
aware he was working with the government

1263
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,559
however the government i was told okay

1264
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,480
however we believe the government to be

1265
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,319
covering up evidence on this topic so

1266
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,400
i'm curious how did you feel about that

1267
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:37,200
and also if i go like this again i'm not

1268
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:38,319
trying to be rude i'm just saying like

1269
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,680
okay we have to wrap this up because

1270
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:41,440
there's so we have a significant amount

1271
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:42,800
of ground to cover

1272
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:45,359
but i'll just go like this instead

1273
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,599
but i felt like it was unclear on your

1274
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:49,760
side and i wanted to make sure that it

1275
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:51,760
was clear because this is really

1276
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:55,200
important this material is very very

1277
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:57,839
important okay so how did you feel about

1278
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:59,359
that you gave it to someone who was

1279
00:52:02,829 --> 00:52:01,119
working with the government when we're

1280
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:02,839
ambivalent about the

1281
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:06,000
government given that they was uh yeah

1282
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:09,839
it would it was a a kind of sad irony

1283
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:12,720
that from 1996

1284
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,119
to 20 uh 1918 2018

1285
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:19,680
that i had shepherded

1286
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:22,960
these materials all of those years

1287
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:26,400
and had gone to various labs and had

1288
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:29,440
worked with even stephen chu the

1289
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:31,040
inventor of the

1290
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,440
super semiconductor

1291
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:35,440
and people were looking at it for all

1292
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:38,720
kinds of various reasons not just ufos

1293
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:41,440
uh and a lifting body there were lots of

1294
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,839
scientists very interested in the

1295
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,319
layered combination

1296
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:50,150
when

1297
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:51,359
jacques

1298
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:54,480
had been so enthusiastic

1299
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,119
and in 2017 thought that they were going

1300
00:53:02,549 --> 00:52:59,280
to be able to generate the terahertz

1301
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:02,559
that hal calculated and they weren't and

1302
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,079
hal came back

1303
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,240
and said we now think we have a lab it

1304
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,000
was very clear

1305
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:09,920
that the test of the terahertz

1306
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:13,040
frequencies at frequencies very near

1307
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:15,040
flipping into the frequency of light

1308
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:17,599
terahertz look at an electromagnetic

1309
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,720
spectrum

1310
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:20,160
terahertz

1311
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:21,920
goes right into

1312
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:23,440
uv light

1313
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:25,359
and so that it was an issue of how do

1314
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:28,000
you control a certain high frequency of

1315
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:29,359
terahertz

1316
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:32,240
and directed into the bismuth magnesium

1317
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:33,040
zinc

1318
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:35,440
without it flipping into

1319
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:37,599
the light frequency that's as i

1320
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:41,520
understand was one of the problems

1321
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:44,480
and so if jacques valet and hal put off

1322
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,440
had not been able to get the terahertz

1323
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:49,200
frequency test

1324
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:50,559
done

1325
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:52,559
and to the stars comes and says the

1326
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:55,119
united states army thinks that they can

1327
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:58,880
do it now there is a conflict that i had

1328
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:01,200
shepherded to this material for a very

1329
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:05,839
long time but there was also the realism

1330
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,160
i don't have the ability to generate

1331
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:10,800
terahertz frequencies

1332
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:14,319
i don't have labs in which they i can go

1333
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,160
into an electron microscopic level

1334
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:20,400
i always was trying to get that to

1335
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:23,440
people who would report results

1336
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:24,480
so

1337
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:27,839
it seemed to me that it was just a final

1338
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:29,040
practical

1339
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,319
answer

1340
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:33,040
that i would sell

1341
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:34,400
a piece

1342
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:36,640
keeping another piece i see i see and if

1343
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,280
the united states army could solve this

1344
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:41,280
it's my country

1345
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,559
this is

1346
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:44,319
for our

1347
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:46,960
uh united states of america if in fact

1348
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,720
they can crack uh what this skin and the

1349
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:53,040
two skins and terahertz frequencies

1350
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:54,720
might produce

1351
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:57,200
that it was had come to sort of the end

1352
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:00,000
of the road of what to do next because

1353
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,240
hal put off and jacques malay

1354
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:04,720
were two scientists that

1355
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:06,559
seemed like they might have a reasonable

1356
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,720
chance of getting the the test done

1357
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:12,240
and then it would have been reported

1358
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,559
publicly

1359
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:15,839
but

1360
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,880
it if i had kept the peace

1361
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,880
because i didn't want it going to a

1362
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,040
military operation

1363
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:25,200
what would i do with it if

1364
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,000
the major researchers

1365
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:30,480
like hal and jacques

1366
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:34,720
had come to a dead end at that point so

1367
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:40,150
so we'll move on from this topic because

1368
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:41,920
i feel like i'm harping on it too much

1369
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:43,680
just so you know i have an extremely

1370
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:47,440
analytical mind so i like details

1371
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:49,040
okay let's talk quickly about crop

1372
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:50,160
circles and then we're going to get to

1373
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:51,839
some audience questions what do you

1374
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:54,079
believe to be the best

1375
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,880
hypothesis for why crop circles exist

1376
00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:58,400
what are they trying to convey what is

1377
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:04,630
on my very first year and first first

1378
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:12,710
and i was out in one of the

1379
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:15,520
big patterns that left everybody

1380
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:16,880
awestruck

1381
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,400
because the size and the perfection

1382
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:22,559
no footprints

1383
00:56:28,829 --> 00:56:26,079
they were astonishing in 1992 at the

1384
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,839
sort of the beginning of people paying

1385
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:30,400
attention

1386
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:31,760
and

1387
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:33,200
a man

1388
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,240
walked over to where i was and he

1389
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:38,799
was making comments about

1390
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:42,240
it's remarkable isn't it there's even

1391
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,280
three or four layers there's braiding

1392
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:47,200
and so we're now talking about the

1393
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:51,280
astonishing details in a formation

1394
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:54,000
and then he said

1395
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:55,359
well you know i

1396
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:56,799
i know somebody who works for the

1397
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:58,880
central intelligence agency he was

1398
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:00,880
probably talking about himself i've had

1399
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:03,680
that experience there will be people who

1400
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:05,920
are working in intel and they'll say

1401
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:08,160
somebody i know who works in intel but

1402
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:09,440
it's usually their first hand

1403
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:10,880
information

1404
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:13,599
he said he told me that they're very

1405
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:16,000
interested in these crop formations and

1406
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:17,920
that they've got a satellite now that is

1407
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,559
trying to get satellite images of every

1408
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:22,480
crop formation that is happening on the

1409
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:24,079
world

1410
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,760
because they are convinced that what we

1411
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:27,680
are dealing with

1412
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:30,559
is mathematical language

1413
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:33,520
from another intelligence that is using

1414
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:35,839
the crop formations to judge the

1415
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:40,960
accuracy of their travel in time

1416
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:43,680
can you explain that

1417
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:46,880
well he was basically saying that

1418
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:50,000
our government in the cia

1419
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:52,240
had come to the conclusion that the

1420
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:54,640
astonishing crop formations

1421
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,680
would be somebody not earth somebody

1422
00:58:02,470 --> 00:57:59,680
else's test

1423
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:02,480
of a time travel technology that was

1424
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:04,640
leaving this mathematical language on

1425
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:07,040
the surface of the earth

1426
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:09,280
and i bring that up because that was one

1427
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:12,559
of the first discussions that i ever had

1428
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:15,200
with anybody on my very first trip to

1429
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:16,720
england

1430
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:19,440
and it set a tone

1431
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:20,880
that

1432
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:22,720
you when you were in those crop

1433
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:25,680
formations in 92 this is before all of

1434
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:29,280
the uh team satan hoaxers that came into

1435
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:32,880
the fields in 95 and 96 and were

1436
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:35,440
apparently deliberately trying to

1437
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:38,799
destroy or whatever they were doing 92

1438
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:41,599
was a year where crop formations were it

1439
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:43,440
was very pure

1440
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:46,319
there were no hoaxers there were no

1441
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:48,240
nothing about what would come

1442
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:51,119
three or four years later

1443
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:52,160
and

1444
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:54,400
that man talking to me

1445
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,720
about the idea that we could be looking

1446
00:59:02,470 --> 00:58:59,040
at a mathematical language

1447
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:02,480
that was being used to test time travel

1448
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:05,680
for me it was like a sudden

1449
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:07,200
wow

1450
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:11,119
i never ever would have thought that way

1451
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:13,760
about crop formations and so he gave me

1452
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:15,359
a gift

1453
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:18,559
it was it was first trip one of the

1454
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:21,119
first formations i was in i have that

1455
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:22,400
discussion

1456
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:27,119
and it uh so uh it so stretched my mind

1457
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:28,960
to looking at crop formations

1458
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:31,200
differently for which i'm very grateful

1459
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:32,880
because eventually

1460
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:35,920
i was in england uh studying crop

1461
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,960
formations doing soil collections seed

1462
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,559
collections for

1463
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:42,640
the biophysicists in michigan michigan

1464
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:44,319
wc loving good

1465
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:46,960
i was very very involved every summer

1466
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:49,359
from 92 until

1467
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:50,559
um

1468
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,000
probably up through 1999. i went every

1469
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:56,400
summer and i was involved in the studies

1470
01:00:02,069 --> 00:59:58,960
and the scientific analysis and how we

1471
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:02,079
found there was coatings of iron on

1472
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:05,680
seed heads that no one knew how

1473
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:07,040
all of it

1474
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:08,000
and

1475
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:09,760
eventually

1476
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:11,839
i would say that

1477
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:13,760
i've

1478
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:16,160
i personally

1479
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:17,920
had in my hands

1480
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:23,510
through

1481
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:24,720
woven

1482
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,440
where it would be just like a perfect if

1483
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:29,440
you were weaving

1484
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,400
but 300 feet in diameter

1485
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:35,040
or 500 feet in diameter the patterns

1486
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:36,640
could be huge

1487
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:39,040
with perfect weaving

1488
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:41,520
but it would be not just the surface

1489
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,480
weaving

1490
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:44,720
you would get down and lift up the

1491
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:47,200
surface that would be woven just like a

1492
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:48,240
braid

1493
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:51,119
and then there would be a whole other

1494
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:52,000
layer

1495
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:54,559
that was coming at 90 degree angles and

1496
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,319
you would lift that up some of these

1497
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,240
were 12 inches

1498
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:00,799
down before you could get to soil yeah

1499
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:02,799
every layer

1500
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:05,359
maybe two or three inches times four or

1501
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:07,040
five

1502
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:09,760
it would be a different angle different

1503
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:10,960
pattern

1504
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:14,000
and it would be four or five deep

1505
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:17,200
how in the world would anybody do that

1506
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:20,000
and not leave tracks

1507
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,880
and

1508
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:22,559
i think that it

1509
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:25,599
it really shifted into a whole other

1510
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:27,200
gear for me

1511
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:30,160
that year in 92 when

1512
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:33,440
uh i went with a group to milk uh it was

1513
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,640
milk hill

1514
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:36,559
a place where there were crop formations

1515
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:41,510
and

1516
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:44,000
it was our very first

1517
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:45,599
pattern we had met

1518
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:47,280
people from the united states and

1519
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:48,640
england

1520
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:51,599
and you parked up here on top of the

1521
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:53,839
hill and you came in to the top of the

1522
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:56,240
hill where the white horse was and then

1523
01:02:02,150 --> 01:01:59,200
you're looking down on this it was a 400

1524
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:02,160
i think it was 430 feet long bigger than

1525
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:03,760
a football field

1526
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:06,960
and this was spirals of circles and

1527
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:09,200
paths was huge

1528
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,480
this is the very first crop formation

1529
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:13,920
and

1530
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:16,400
i started down one of the tram lines

1531
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:18,480
because we were all trying to make sure

1532
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:21,280
the farmers knew that we were not going

1533
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:23,760
to tread on any crop

1534
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:25,359
and i started down

1535
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:26,960
one of the

1536
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:28,720
tram lines

1537
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:30,880
and the group behind me

1538
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:33,280
they started going down different tram

1539
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:34,400
lines

1540
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:37,200
so each one of us was coming down to

1541
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:39,680
this huge formation in different tram

1542
01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:42,799
lines and when i got down to where i

1543
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,280
wanted to try to walk in based on what

1544
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:47,440
i'd seen from above

1545
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:50,079
i had my 35 millimeter nikon hanging

1546
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:53,680
around my neck and i had learned uh in

1547
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:55,359
other work that i had done in the united

1548
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:57,599
states i would always come in anything i

1549
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:00,960
was doing animal mutilations or whatever

1550
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:03,200
i would bring the camera up and i would

1551
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:06,480
start taking photos as i approached

1552
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:08,799
and i found those photographs to be so

1553
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:10,960
valuable to me in research and that's

1554
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:12,319
what i did

1555
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:14,960
so i'm walking to the edge now of this

1556
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:16,480
big crop formation

1557
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:19,920
and i'm lifting up and taking photos

1558
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:20,720
my

1559
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:23,839
intent was to go through the edge now

1560
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:27,440
onto this formation and take close-ups

1561
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:30,640
and as i started to try to move through

1562
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:32,240
the edge

1563
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:34,720
it was like a warm jello it's what it

1564
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:37,200
felt like that i walked into something

1565
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:38,960
that had substance

1566
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:40,640
right along the edge of this crop

1567
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:42,160
formation

1568
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:45,440
and i stopped and backed up and reached

1569
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:48,160
out and i could touch it again it felt

1570
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:50,720
like warm jello

1571
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:53,200
and i was so puzzled

1572
01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:54,079
and

1573
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:56,720
everybody else was at the far end this

1574
01:04:02,309 --> 01:03:59,440
way because i was going to that way so i

1575
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:02,319
wasn't talking with anybody

1576
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:04,559
and i came up with my camera

1577
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:05,440
and i

1578
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:09,839
started taking photos

1579
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:12,480
and as i did i moved forward and i felt

1580
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:15,520
a release like something let go

1581
01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:19,920
of whatever this warm jello was

1582
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:24,319
and when i walked into now the circle

1583
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:27,280
i suddenly felt like that i was uh

1584
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:28,240
almost

1585
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:29,599
violating

1586
01:04:34,150 --> 01:04:30,480
and i

1587
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:34,160
i bent down and this was the one crop

1588
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:37,119
formation right at the beginning

1589
01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:39,599
that i felt

1590
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:41,599
it's seven layers

1591
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:44,240
there were seven layers crossed with

1592
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:46,240
different 90 degree angles all the way

1593
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:48,799
down and i went down to where i could

1594
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:50,720
get dirt i could feel dirt with my

1595
01:04:54,789 --> 01:04:52,079
fingers

1596
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:54,799
and it was up to here on my elbow

1597
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:57,119
so it was that deep people think they're

1598
01:05:01,510 --> 01:04:58,799
flat no

1599
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:01,520
many many many complex layers

1600
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:03,920
see now linda i think similarly to you

1601
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:04,799
in that

1602
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:07,200
that person who came up with the

1603
01:05:13,589 --> 01:05:11,200
idea that this is some rather than a

1604
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:13,599
rather than an intent to communicate

1605
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:15,200
it's an artifact

1606
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:17,200
of a calibration technique

1607
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:19,119
that the crop circles are so what led

1608
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:22,240
him to think that

1609
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:24,240
the man who approached me and said that

1610
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:27,680
he knew somebody in the cia

1611
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:29,920
who knows i mean

1612
01:05:35,829 --> 01:05:33,440
in all of my professional career uh it

1613
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:35,839
seems to me that

1614
01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:37,760
when you begin

1615
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:39,760
intensely studying something

1616
01:05:45,029 --> 01:05:42,640
investigating

1617
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:45,039
however you explain it there will be

1618
01:05:50,230 --> 01:05:47,520
people who end up giving you information

1619
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:50,240
that becomes a key i have experienced

1620
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:52,160
that over and over and over

1621
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:55,280
almost sometimes as if

1622
01:06:00,069 --> 01:05:56,720
there is a

1623
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:02,390
being directed to look at things that

1624
01:06:06,069 --> 01:06:05,039
you would not normally and why does that

1625
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:06,079
happen

1626
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:07,520
i don't know

1627
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:10,720
but in crop formations in that day

1628
01:06:14,230 --> 01:06:11,920
i think

1629
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:14,240
back of how many people

1630
01:06:19,029 --> 01:06:15,599
would end up

1631
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:19,039
walking into a crop formation and saying

1632
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:21,039
x y or z

1633
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:23,760
and then you are learning something new

1634
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:25,359
and you just keep going deeper and

1635
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:27,039
deeper and deeper and all that work that

1636
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:28,000
i did

1637
01:06:33,589 --> 01:06:30,400
with wc loving good

1638
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:33,599
doing and collecting soil and seeds and

1639
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:36,000
plants and all of the things that we did

1640
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:38,720
for at least a decade

1641
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:40,799
he was a

1642
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:44,640
a very very uh detailed intense

1643
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:46,720
scientist

1644
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:49,039
he became convinced

1645
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:51,680
that there were energy systems

1646
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:54,880
that were coming through the ionosphere

1647
01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:57,280
and that they were spinning and he gave

1648
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:58,640
all of the

1649
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:00,960
hard physics reasons for why he came to

1650
01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:03,280
those conclusions

1651
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:05,440
and he was doing his own independent

1652
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:06,559
paper

1653
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:08,559
and then we learned that another

1654
01:07:14,309 --> 01:07:11,280
physicist in holland

1655
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:14,319
is also had been collecting soil plants

1656
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:15,200
and

1657
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:17,920
samples like uh his himself like i was

1658
01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:20,319
doing for dr levingood

1659
01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:24,000
and both of these biophysicists end up

1660
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,559
producing papers with the same

1661
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:28,319
conclusion

1662
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:30,160
that there were spinning

1663
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:31,599
vortices

1664
01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:34,160
of charged particles that were coming

1665
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:36,720
down and that the charged particles were

1666
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:39,599
then affecting the plants

1667
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:41,520
in whether they were going to stand or

1668
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:42,480
go down

1669
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:46,160
and that the complexity of the patterns

1670
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,240
was signaled

1671
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:50,160
by what they thought was happening in

1672
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:52,720
the swirling patterns coming from the

1673
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:54,160
ionosphere

1674
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:57,760
so two completely different scientists

1675
01:08:02,309 --> 01:08:00,319
did these papers i got to meet and work

1676
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:02,319
with both of them

1677
01:08:07,990 --> 01:08:04,880
and my point is

1678
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:08,000
there was no precedent

1679
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:10,240
the the this was all dependent upon

1680
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:13,119
people who had physics backgrounds

1681
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:15,839
biology backgrounds who became so

1682
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:17,679
interested

1683
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:20,960
in the phenomena of weaving

1684
01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:22,960
90 degree angles

1685
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:25,920
all of the geometry and math that seemed

1686
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:28,799
to be inherent in these crop formations

1687
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:31,839
that attracted men who were professional

1688
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:34,159
in biophysics and then ended up

1689
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:36,159
producing papers

1690
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:38,880
that led to a question

1691
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:40,799
what would cause

1692
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:43,679
a spinning complex of energy coming down

1693
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:45,839
through the ionosphere that would go all

1694
01:08:48,789 --> 01:08:47,199
the way down

1695
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:48,799
to crops

1696
01:08:54,149 --> 01:08:51,279
in fields all over the planet this was

1697
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:54,159
not happening just in england

1698
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:56,560
and no one had even

1699
01:09:02,470 --> 01:08:59,279
uh confronted such

1700
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:04,390
linda here's a personal question before

1701
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:05,920
we get to audience questions but

1702
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:07,759
something i think about as this channel

1703
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:09,120
gets larger

1704
01:09:12,229 --> 01:09:10,719
how cautious are you

1705
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:12,239
that you're being used as a

1706
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:13,839
disinformation

1707
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:22,950
i started in 1979

1708
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:25,359
as director of special projects

1709
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:28,319
at the cbs station in denver

1710
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:30,080
i had been doing all the medical

1711
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:32,159
programming for the abc station in

1712
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:33,359
boston

1713
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:35,759
before i was hired at the cbs station in

1714
01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:37,040
denver

1715
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:39,040
before i did all the medical programming

1716
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,880
in boston i was doing all kinds of

1717
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:44,880
science and environment reporting for

1718
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:47,679
knbc in los angeles

1719
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:51,279
at stanford university my master's film

1720
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:52,239
was

1721
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:54,560
their very first efforts to use

1722
01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:56,560
computers to analyze particle

1723
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:58,400
bombardments in the stanford linear

1724
01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,320
accelerator

1725
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:02,400
everything in my work

1726
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:04,480
from 1968

1727
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:05,760
up to

1728
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:08,719
uh being hired

1729
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:11,440
at the cbs station

1730
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:12,719
and then

1731
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:16,000
in 1979 there

1732
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:18,400
the headlines about animal mutilations

1733
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:21,360
everything in my professional life with

1734
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:22,480
science

1735
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:29,430
proving hypotheses with evidence

1736
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:32,320
working in labs

1737
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:34,320
collecting enough data that you can

1738
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:36,320
hypothesize

1739
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:40,560
x y and z of whatever the issue is

1740
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:43,520
so my training and my life

1741
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:46,080
was always in the context of science and

1742
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:49,199
medicine as it is to this day

1743
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:51,600
the animal mutilations which are

1744
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:55,440
physical evidence all over the planet

1745
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:58,719
that i start going to animal mutilations

1746
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:01,440
with formal in solution and a scalpel or

1747
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:02,480
scissors

1748
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:04,880
so that i can cut the mutilators an

1749
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:08,800
excision to send to a lab

1750
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:11,600
which i did many many times

1751
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:15,280
was also part of the whole building of a

1752
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:18,239
context this is not something that could

1753
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:20,000
be done by

1754
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:22,080
by a human

1755
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:23,520
because hearts

1756
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:25,760
would be found in necropsies missing

1757
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:28,880
inside of a 1700 pound cow

1758
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:31,679
or 2 000 pound bull

1759
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:33,679
the heart would be missing

1760
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:35,520
the pericardium that surrounded the

1761
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:38,000
heart would be collapsed in the chest

1762
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:39,840
no clotted blood

1763
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:41,920
no fluid

1764
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:45,840
no surgery on the outside of the body

1765
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:49,040
i took that evidence to a doctor at rose

1766
01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:51,760
medical center in denver i said how

1767
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:55,600
would you take a 9 by 11 by 12 inch

1768
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:56,640
heart

1769
01:12:01,750 --> 01:11:59,840
out of a grown cow or a bull

1770
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:01,760
without any surgery

1771
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:02,880
and the

1772
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:05,520
doctor that is in my uh documentary is

1773
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:08,400
strange harvest talking about this said

1774
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:09,760
you can't

1775
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:12,880
but he said what this reminds me of is

1776
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:14,400
linda i have

1777
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:17,120
in my own medical experience i have this

1778
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:19,840
idea that maybe in

1779
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:22,719
50 years from now we will have molecular

1780
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:25,120
extraction surgery

1781
01:12:29,189 --> 01:12:27,040
and it will mean it will be frequency

1782
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:29,199
and a frequency will go through the skin

1783
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:31,600
the cartilage the bone and maybe it is

1784
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:33,920
going to operate on a gallbladder

1785
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:35,679
and nothing else will be affected

1786
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:38,560
because it will be molecular specific

1787
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:40,400
surgery

1788
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:43,040
it's now 2022

1789
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:45,600
we do not have molecular specific

1790
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:48,880
surgery on the earth even now

1791
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:51,920
and yet in 1979

1792
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:54,159
43 years ago

1793
01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:56,719
when i began my very first research of

1794
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:59,280
the animal mutilations

1795
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:00,480
finding

1796
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:02,560
through necropsy

1797
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:06,239
and talking with doctors and labs

1798
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:08,480
that what was being found in the

1799
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:12,239
necropsies of the animals was impossible

1800
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:14,880
the removal of organs from inside bodies

1801
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:18,800
with no surgery surgery on the surface

1802
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:20,560
so

1803
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:22,239
from my point of view

1804
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:24,320
there is

1805
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:25,360
any

1806
01:13:33,189 --> 01:13:29,760
that i would be

1807
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:33,199
in ever at any point in my life

1808
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:36,000
following somebody around or something

1809
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:44,310
let me repeat the question

1810
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:45,040
i

1811
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,199
wonder about

1812
01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:51,120
it's so difficult to study this field

1813
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:52,480
linda as you know you've been in this

1814
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:54,159
for decades

1815
01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:55,840
it's so difficult because there's so

1816
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:57,760
much disinformation it's fraught with

1817
01:14:01,350 --> 01:14:00,000
disinformation contradictory information

1818
01:14:02,070 --> 01:14:01,360
as well

1819
01:14:04,149 --> 01:14:02,080
so

1820
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:04,159
what this information has the

1821
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:06,080
implies that someone had the intent of

1822
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:07,440
spreading it whereas contradictory may

1823
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:08,400
just be

1824
01:14:12,830 --> 01:14:10,320
varied reports so when it comes to

1825
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:12,840
disinformation in particular

1826
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:15,520
how what do you do to prevent yourself

1827
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:18,000
being used as a disinformation

1828
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:20,800
agent and or what burden of proof must

1829
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:27,669
promulgate what they're saying

1830
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,709
i just outline to you

1831
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:36,960
my entire background has always been in

1832
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:39,360
medicine and science and the environment

1833
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:42,000
therefore i approach every single

1834
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:43,040
project

1835
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:45,280
that i have ever done

1836
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:47,040
what can be proved

1837
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:49,840
what laboratory work can be done

1838
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:50,880
what

1839
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:53,920
experts do i go to that is the modus

1840
01:15:00,630 --> 01:14:56,880
operandi of my work

1841
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:00,640
if the cia nsa dia and the other 15

1842
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:04,320
intel agencies over the last 45 50 years

1843
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:07,920
or 80 years going back to world war ii

1844
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:09,440
were told that

1845
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:12,239
they had to keep the public

1846
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:13,679
from knowing anything about

1847
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:16,080
extraterrestrial biological entities

1848
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:18,960
mutilating animals around this planet at

1849
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:21,600
all costs

1850
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:26,159
and in 1979 i'm an emmy award-winning

1851
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:30,719
peabody honored producer

1852
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:32,000
and i

1853
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:34,400
take seriously an investigation of

1854
01:15:40,229 --> 01:15:37,520
animal mutilations

1855
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:40,239
i've been told

1856
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:41,440
linda

1857
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:44,000
you broadsided the united states

1858
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:47,990
why

1859
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:50,000
and the answer that came to me this is

1860
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:56,790
they never thought that a credible

1861
01:16:01,750 --> 01:15:58,880
journalist would touch animal

1862
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:01,760
mutilations with a hundred foot pole

1863
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:08,790
i have never ever once been afraid to

1864
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:11,199
look at evidence

1865
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:14,640
to get professionals to develop evidence

1866
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:17,760
that is the hallmark of all of my work

1867
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:20,640
from stanford university i was at

1868
01:16:24,830 --> 01:16:22,480
stanford university working on a

1869
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:24,840
master's degree in communication from

1870
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:28,719
1966 to 68.

1871
01:16:33,430 --> 01:16:31,679
my work there i did a documentary for

1872
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:33,440
the stanford medical center that they

1873
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:37,280
used for 19 years after i graduated and

1874
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:39,679
they sent me a beautiful letter thanking

1875
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:40,400
me

1876
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:42,400
as a master's degree student doing a

1877
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:44,159
documentary with the stanford medical

1878
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:47,600
center that they used for 19 years

1879
01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:49,920
my master's thesis

1880
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:50,960
was

1881
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:55,679
for the very first time trying to see if

1882
01:17:00,149 --> 01:16:57,440
they could use computers that could do

1883
01:17:02,709 --> 01:17:00,159
the labor intensive analysis of atomic

1884
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:02,719
bombardments

1885
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:04,320
so i'm saying

1886
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:06,960
that from my being a

1887
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:09,280
person in their early 20s

1888
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:11,360
getting a master's degree at stanford

1889
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:12,960
university

1890
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:15,520
every single thing that i did from there

1891
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:17,760
on was still in the context of

1892
01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:19,360
everything that i had learned and

1893
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:21,440
applied in all of the medical

1894
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:23,600
programming science programming and

1895
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:26,159
environment programming that i have done

1896
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:31,280
and have earned emmy and a peabody for

1897
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:33,520
so i'm not a person who goes

1898
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:42,070
the intelligence agencies

1899
01:17:47,189 --> 01:17:44,400
when they are ordered

1900
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:47,199
the way we can hurt her

1901
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:48,719
or him

1902
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:55,430
that is a

1903
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:58,719
old and tried intel

1904
01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:00,960
control mechanism

1905
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:02,640
that doesn't mean

1906
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:04,320
that when they float

1907
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:06,880
whatever they're going to float

1908
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:09,679
which i've seen preposterous things come

1909
01:18:14,950 --> 01:18:11,199
from the government about animal

1910
01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:17,350
all i can do

1911
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:20,080
is be the science medic

1912
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:20,880
medic

1913
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:25,760
environment

1914
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:27,840
reporter and producer writer director

1915
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:30,400
editor that i have always been

1916
01:18:34,030 --> 01:18:33,040
and i am to this day

1917
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:34,040
and

1918
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:37,120
disinformation that the government of

1919
01:18:42,550 --> 01:18:39,360
the united states and other governments

1920
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:42,560
work in 24 7.

1921
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:45,040
wherever they're trying to apply that

1922
01:18:50,149 --> 01:18:47,840
rule let's make people look over here

1923
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:50,159
because we don't want them to look here

1924
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:53,280
well my entire career has been i want to

1925
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:55,520
understand what's here not what they're

1926
01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:57,520
trying to make us look at over here and

1927
01:19:01,830 --> 01:18:59,360
i'll give you right now what the

1928
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:01,840
government did this the shining ball

1929
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:04,640
everybody look at this

1930
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:06,400
it was a mantra

1931
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:10,880
delivered to veterinarians and people on

1932
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:12,560
purpose

1933
01:19:17,910 --> 01:19:16,159
just tell reporters that the animal

1934
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:17,920
mutilations

1935
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:18,640
are

1936
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:19,679
done

1937
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:21,280
by predators

1938
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:22,480
disease

1939
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:25,040
or satanic cults

1940
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:27,840
nonsense absolute nonsense as soon as

1941
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:30,640
you started doing any kind of legitimate

1942
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:32,640
physical evidence which included

1943
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:35,040
necropsies and finding

1944
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:37,360
organs disappearing from inside of

1945
01:19:42,630 --> 01:19:40,640
animals with no surgery on the outside

1946
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:42,640
but this shows

1947
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:45,679
how easy it is for governments to just

1948
01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:47,280
to deflect

1949
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:50,080
people's attention over here

1950
01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:52,080
and they do it on purpose

1951
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:54,400
and it takes a lot of work and it takes

1952
01:19:58,390 --> 01:19:56,159
a lot of fortitude

1953
01:20:01,350 --> 01:19:58,400
to understand what the government is

1954
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:01,360
using as deflection and what is really

1955
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:04,400
going on and the way to do that is to

1956
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:06,880
take every single subject

1957
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:10,239
and you approach it from a scientific

1958
01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:11,520
medical

1959
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:17,910
okay we'll get to some audience

1960
01:20:22,149 --> 01:20:19,920
questions this one comes from dan from

1961
01:20:24,870 --> 01:20:22,159
that ufo podcast he says cattle

1962
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:24,880
mutilations are phenomenon that have

1963
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:27,600
mystified people for a long time

1964
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:28,800
you've been

1965
01:20:32,709 --> 01:20:30,800
involved in the research so what what

1966
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:32,719
interesting results or correlations have

1967
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:34,320
you found so i'll make an augmentation

1968
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:35,840
to that linda i'll say what new

1969
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:37,840
correlations have you uncovered or

1970
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:40,320
surmised in the past two years

1971
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:41,920
because your work is so vast i'm sure

1972
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:47,510
i would say the remarkable aspect of

1973
01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:49,360
animal mutilations is that they have

1974
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:51,760
been reported on this planet

1975
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:55,520
going back as far as one case 1904 in

1976
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:57,120
australia

1977
01:21:01,270 --> 01:20:58,719
but the most

1978
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:01,280
numbers of cases starting in the 1950s

1979
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:03,360
and the 1960s

1980
01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:08,639
is how unchanged the phenomena has been

1981
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:10,719
we're talking decades of animal

1982
01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:13,440
mutilations in both hemispheres around

1983
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:15,040
this planet

1984
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:16,159
and the

1985
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:18,639
description is the same

1986
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:21,120
going on if you are going back

1987
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:24,560
with 75 years

1988
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:27,360
ear missing eye tongue

1989
01:21:33,669 --> 01:21:30,960
jaw genitals rectum

1990
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:33,679
and no blood

1991
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:36,320
wounds that are dry to touch

1992
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:38,480
and that that is the description around

1993
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:47,030
okay andy from that ufo podcast as well

1994
01:21:50,709 --> 01:21:48,320
and the links to all of this are in the

1995
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:50,719
description ufology has changed so much

1996
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:52,000
in the past three or four years let

1997
01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:54,159
alone three or four decades how have

1998
01:21:58,149 --> 01:21:56,080
your views or opinions in that time

1999
01:22:01,750 --> 01:21:58,159
changed how do you see your place in the

2000
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:03,110
oh

2001
01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:05,280
ufology

2002
01:22:12,790 --> 01:22:09,760
uh as a a word means nothing to me

2003
01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:12,800
means literally nothing to me

2004
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:14,639
if we're talking about

2005
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:16,400
what are

2006
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:18,400
hard physical data

2007
01:22:22,629 --> 01:22:20,400
on planet earth

2008
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:22,639
that has been linked

2009
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:24,400
to aerial phenomena

2010
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:27,520
that glows put downs beams where there

2011
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:29,520
have been eyewitnesses who have seen

2012
01:22:35,830 --> 01:22:33,199
animals rise in a beam lowered in a beam

2013
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:35,840
humans who have said that they have been

2014
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:38,480
on the ground and have seen a beam come

2015
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:45,990
that's called eyewitness testimony

2016
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:48,480
from other humans about something that

2017
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:49,920
they have seen

2018
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:52,080
and then the physical evidence in this

2019
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:55,280
case are the animals

2020
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:58,320
thousands and thousands and thousands of

2021
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:00,960
domestic and wild animals

2022
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:03,120
around this planet going back to at

2023
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,400
least the 1950s and the early 1960s as a

2024
01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:08,400
beginning

2025
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:12,880
have been affected the same way

2026
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:16,239
there were so many reports of serrated

2027
01:23:19,750 --> 01:23:17,520
edges

2028
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:19,760
in the united states for example and

2029
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:23,440
canada in the 1970s that sheriffs and

2030
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:25,440
deputies kept referring to them as

2031
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:31,590
that is

2032
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:33,120
evidentiary

2033
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:34,480
you've got

2034
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:37,040
eyewitnesses you have a phenomena that

2035
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:40,719
does not change it keeps repeating

2036
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:43,360
this is the animal mutilation phenomena

2037
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:45,760
that sheriffs and deputies came to the

2038
01:23:51,430 --> 01:23:48,480
conclusion as sheriff tex graves told me

2039
01:23:53,669 --> 01:23:51,440
in colorado in 1979

2040
01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:53,679
the perpetrators linda are creatures

2041
01:23:59,510 --> 01:23:56,480
from outer space

2042
01:24:02,390 --> 01:23:59,520
it was a shocking statement

2043
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:02,400
but i emphasize again

2044
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:05,520
everything in my working world for the

2045
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:08,159
decade before i started on mutilations

2046
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:11,600
graduating from stanford in 1968

2047
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:13,679
being hired uh at these different

2048
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:16,480
stations and i did not start on a

2049
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:19,120
strange harvest till 79 so a decade

2050
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:20,800
later

2051
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:23,120
it's the same approach

2052
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:25,199
i go to veterinarians

2053
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:27,440
i pay for necropsies

2054
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:29,280
i went to labs

2055
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:31,760
i looked at reports

2056
01:24:35,189 --> 01:24:32,960
that's

2057
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:35,199
what i have done that has absolutely

2058
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:37,840
nothing to do with quote unquote the

2059
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:39,600
word ufology

2060
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:41,920
okay you've just heard the themes of

2061
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:44,719
ufos consciousness skinwalker

2062
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:46,000
all topics that would make the

2063
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:48,239
traditional skeptic scoff however it may

2064
01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:49,679
be the case that there's a paradigm

2065
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:51,679
shift coming luckily short form has

2066
01:24:56,310 --> 01:24:53,600
compendious book summaries on the topics

2067
01:24:58,870 --> 01:24:56,320
of ufos consciousness spirituality

2068
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:58,880
psychology philosophy and the meta issue

2069
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:01,120
of anomalous data leading to radical

2070
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:03,280
reorientations on scientific

2071
01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:05,360
understanding such as thomas coons the

2072
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:07,360
structure of scientific revolutions

2073
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:08,800
which is the short form book i was

2074
01:25:12,310 --> 01:25:10,800
reading most recently if you're like me

2075
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:12,320
then there's a variety of books on your

2076
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:14,639
kindle which are essentially left unread

2077
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,639
there's a variety of tabs i'm looking at

2078
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:18,960
them now which are left unread and then

2079
01:25:22,229 --> 01:25:20,480
i have to end up bookmarking them for

2080
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later short form makes learning what

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2083
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2084
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2085
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2086
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read a summary than the entire book

2087
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:34,800
again they even have exercises that will

2088
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:36,400
prompt you for attention since there's

2089
01:25:39,510 --> 01:25:37,920
little points in accumulating knowledge

2090
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2099
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now back to the podcast this question

2105
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:13,760
comes from moon observer gillis or gills

2106
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:15,280
and i'm gonna combine a couple because

2107
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:18,560
they're similar so big fan of linda here

2108
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:21,280
why do you think ets have not appeared

2109
01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:23,440
in person and i'm not talking about ufos

2110
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:25,360
but revealing themselves to the entire

2111
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:27,520
the entirety of humans let's say at new

2112
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:29,280
york los angeles but it doesn't matter

2113
01:26:34,470 --> 01:26:32,000
we know ufos exist

2114
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:34,480
but who are in them

2115
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:37,760
is not clear okay why haven't ufos

2116
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:39,600
revealed themselves

2117
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:48,629
in december of uh 2021

2118
01:26:54,390 --> 01:26:51,760
i did an earth files report about heim

2119
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:54,400
eshed he is the father of satellite

2120
01:26:57,669 --> 01:26:56,639
development in israel

2121
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:57,679
and

2122
01:27:01,830 --> 01:26:59,120
in the process

2123
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:01,840
of wanting to be able to get a full

2124
01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:04,400
english translation of the epilogue of

2125
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:06,880
his memoir that came out then

2126
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:10,000
i contacted a man who had volunteered to

2127
01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:12,320
do translations for me

2128
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:14,480
hebrew to english

2129
01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:17,840
and i was able to get the entire heim

2130
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:20,960
eched epilogue which is titled

2131
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:23,520
we are not alone

2132
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:26,560
that's the title that this uh longtime

2133
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:28,080
satellite

2134
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:31,600
um histori historic figure

2135
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:33,360
put on his own epilogue and in there

2136
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:36,159
were photographs of strange structures

2137
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:37,600
on mars

2138
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:40,719
he included ufo stories that had

2139
01:27:44,709 --> 01:27:42,639
happened in various places and were

2140
01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:44,719
investigated by anthropologists and

2141
01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:47,440
others

2142
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:49,520
and one of the

2143
01:27:54,550 --> 01:27:52,320
questions that i said to the

2144
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:54,560
hebrew english translator

2145
01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:56,800
is

2146
01:28:00,550 --> 01:27:58,239
does

2147
01:28:03,510 --> 01:28:00,560
haim eshed

2148
01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:03,520
have any insights from all of his work

2149
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:05,440
having to do with the development of

2150
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:08,480
satellites does he have any insights

2151
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:10,239
about why

2152
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:12,320
all of the other intelligence that he is

2153
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:15,840
implying exists in his own memoir

2154
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:19,199
why are we on a planet that is still

2155
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:22,560
living in this strange straitjacket we

2156
01:28:26,830 --> 01:28:25,360
are the only intel intelligent life in

2157
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:26,840
the universe

2158
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:30,880
why he obviously knows that there is

2159
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:34,159
something else other intelligences

2160
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:36,639
and the answer that came back to me from

2161
01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:37,440
the

2162
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:39,760
hebrew to english translator

2163
01:28:43,669 --> 01:28:41,440
is

2164
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:43,679
haimashit says

2165
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:46,560
that the release of the truth

2166
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,360
is not for a human timeline

2167
01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:51,600
it is the timeline

2168
01:29:00,070 --> 01:28:56,790
why

2169
01:29:01,830 --> 01:29:00,080
would the non-humans

2170
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:01,840
want

2171
01:29:07,270 --> 01:29:04,560
humanity to remain in the dark about

2172
01:29:09,750 --> 01:29:07,280
their existence their presence on our

2173
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:09,760
planet in this solar system

2174
01:29:15,669 --> 01:29:12,639
what is it that the non-humans gain

2175
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:15,679
by us being kept dumb and blind for

2176
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:17,120
centuries

2177
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:19,040
about the fact that we're not alone in

2178
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:20,560
this universe

2179
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:23,120
it is allegedly teeming with life but

2180
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:25,920
certainly our government since world war

2181
01:29:32,070 --> 01:29:28,320
ii knows that extraterrestrial

2182
01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:32,080
biological entities a phrase that comes

2183
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:34,960
from the truman administration

2184
01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:38,800
that is in documents extraterrest

2185
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:41,440
biological entities

2186
01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:44,159
that isn't made up late in the 21st

2187
01:29:48,310 --> 01:29:45,520
century

2188
01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:48,320
those are those words are in documents

2189
01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:50,800
that have been released or leaked from

2190
01:29:58,470 --> 01:29:56,149
our government

2191
01:30:01,030 --> 01:29:58,480
may have run into information that they

2192
01:30:04,229 --> 01:30:01,040
found disturbing and that they wanted to

2193
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:04,239
understand just like jaime

2194
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:06,480
before they released

2195
01:30:12,149 --> 01:30:09,840
now we are at 2022

2196
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:12,159
decades and decades of animal

2197
01:30:17,990 --> 01:30:15,360
mutilations human abductions

2198
01:30:19,830 --> 01:30:18,000
military pilots talking to investigative

2199
01:30:21,910 --> 01:30:19,840
reporters like me

2200
01:30:24,629 --> 01:30:21,920
learning about the fact that our nuclear

2201
01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:24,639
missile sites have had interactions by

2202
01:30:29,669 --> 01:30:27,840
ufos that have been able to bring a

2203
01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:29,679
missile down

2204
01:30:36,070 --> 01:30:32,239
or tend down

2205
01:30:43,590 --> 01:30:40,229
so i stand at 2022

2206
01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:43,600
with not a single question or doubt

2207
01:30:47,830 --> 01:30:45,120
that the

2208
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:47,840
milky way galaxy is teeming with other

2209
01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:49,360
life and our government has known that

2210
01:30:53,750 --> 01:30:51,120
for a very long time

2211
01:30:55,430 --> 01:30:53,760
and we are still being insulated

2212
01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:55,440
and controlled

2213
01:31:01,350 --> 01:30:58,800
by them not officially announcing as

2214
01:31:05,430 --> 01:31:01,360
long as it is not officially announced

2215
01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:05,440
by governments it is still quote unquote

2216
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:07,440
interpretive

2217
01:31:10,709 --> 01:31:09,440
from my point of view

2218
01:31:12,149 --> 01:31:10,719
we've had

2219
01:31:14,070 --> 01:31:12,159
the breakthroughs

2220
01:31:17,430 --> 01:31:14,080
because we have had physicists and

2221
01:31:20,149 --> 01:31:17,440
military people and scientists and intel

2222
01:31:22,229 --> 01:31:20,159
who have said they've been in a room

2223
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:22,239
with an extraterrestrial biological

2224
01:31:25,750 --> 01:31:23,280
entity

2225
01:31:28,390 --> 01:31:25,760
they know that animal mutilations are

2226
01:31:29,990 --> 01:31:28,400
done by extraterrestrial biological

2227
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:30,000
entities

2228
01:31:33,830 --> 01:31:32,239
there is all of this first-hand

2229
01:31:34,950 --> 01:31:33,840
testimony

2230
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:34,960
and what

2231
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:37,440
the intel agencies

2232
01:31:44,629 --> 01:31:40,960
have been able to do is still say until

2233
01:31:47,189 --> 01:31:44,639
they announce anything formally it's

2234
01:31:49,590 --> 01:31:47,199
still speculation

2235
01:31:52,470 --> 01:31:49,600
and that's from my point of view it's

2236
01:31:54,790 --> 01:31:52,480
nonsense because i know what i have done

2237
01:31:56,310 --> 01:31:54,800
what i have reported alone that is

2238
01:31:58,709 --> 01:31:56,320
forensic

2239
01:32:00,390 --> 01:31:58,719
it's evidentiary

2240
01:32:01,270 --> 01:32:00,400
and

2241
01:32:05,669 --> 01:32:01,280
now

2242
01:32:11,910 --> 01:32:08,950
there are so many whistleblowers

2243
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:11,920
that are coming from every direction in

2244
01:32:15,750 --> 01:32:14,000
multiple countries now

2245
01:32:18,950 --> 01:32:15,760
and they seem to be

2246
01:32:21,830 --> 01:32:18,960
overly irritated by the fact they know

2247
01:32:24,790 --> 01:32:21,840
that there are non-humans they know

2248
01:32:26,470 --> 01:32:24,800
about these very advanced craft

2249
01:32:28,310 --> 01:32:26,480
and they're frustrated

2250
01:32:30,790 --> 01:32:28,320
themselves

2251
01:32:33,990 --> 01:32:30,800
that we're not being told a truth which

2252
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:34,000
they thought would have been opened up

2253
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:34,960
by

2254
01:32:40,709 --> 01:32:36,320
now

2255
01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:40,719
so why is it being dragged out and will

2256
01:32:44,709 --> 01:32:43,600
the new web telescope finally be the

2257
01:32:47,430 --> 01:32:44,719
tool

2258
01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:47,440
that all of the scientists on the planet

2259
01:32:51,510 --> 01:32:49,840
including high meshed would agree

2260
01:32:54,070 --> 01:32:51,520
use the web

2261
01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:54,080
we know it could show our artificial

2262
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:55,520
structures

2263
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:58,320
on a planet at alpha centauri 4.2 light

2264
01:33:02,229 --> 01:32:59,520
years away

2265
01:33:03,350 --> 01:33:02,239
the telescope could be used as

2266
01:33:05,430 --> 01:33:03,360
oh

2267
01:33:06,870 --> 01:33:05,440
now we can announce

2268
01:33:08,830 --> 01:33:06,880
meanwhile

2269
01:33:12,070 --> 01:33:08,840
for centuries

2270
01:33:14,390 --> 01:33:12,080
extraterrestrial biological entities of

2271
01:33:15,910 --> 01:33:14,400
many kinds have interacted with and

2272
01:33:18,550 --> 01:33:15,920
harvested from

2273
01:33:20,950 --> 01:33:18,560
our planet the solar system and beyond

2274
01:33:23,110 --> 01:33:20,960
and our government knows it

2275
01:33:26,470 --> 01:33:23,120
do you think that some of the reason why

2276
01:33:28,229 --> 01:33:26,480
it's being concealed slash obfuscated by

2277
01:33:30,310 --> 01:33:28,239
both the government and the aliens

2278
01:33:31,350 --> 01:33:30,320
themselves supposedly do you think that

2279
01:33:33,590 --> 01:33:31,360
the

2280
01:33:35,189 --> 01:33:33,600
reason is for our own good like tom

2281
01:33:36,629 --> 01:33:35,199
delong thinks

2282
01:33:39,430 --> 01:33:36,639
or do you think there's a nefarious

2283
01:33:42,229 --> 01:33:39,440
reason to selfish reason one that one of

2284
01:33:52,870 --> 01:33:42,239
cupidity or gullosity

2285
01:34:00,870 --> 01:33:56,229
since

2286
01:34:02,870 --> 01:34:00,880
and a discussion that i had with a

2287
01:34:05,590 --> 01:34:02,880
physicist

2288
01:34:08,229 --> 01:34:05,600
who has firsthand information about

2289
01:34:11,350 --> 01:34:08,239
certain types of non-humans

2290
01:34:15,189 --> 01:34:11,360
and their interactions with this planet

2291
01:34:19,669 --> 01:34:17,430
he gave me an insight that i think is

2292
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:19,679
absolutely accurate because it has been

2293
01:34:26,310 --> 01:34:21,760
referenced in other documents that i

2294
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:30,229
linda there really is a threat

2295
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:33,189
it is in the form of a very particular

2296
01:34:38,310 --> 01:34:35,520
kind of life form that we know is only

2297
01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:38,320
about 10 light years from the earth

2298
01:34:46,070 --> 01:34:43,750
but i can also assure you that we are

2299
01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:46,080
working in collaboration

2300
01:34:50,629 --> 01:34:48,480
with tall whites and tall nordics and

2301
01:34:53,189 --> 01:34:50,639
they are allies

2302
01:34:55,189 --> 01:34:53,199
and they have the ability to fend off

2303
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:55,199
the threat

2304
01:34:59,830 --> 01:34:57,360
but the government's point of view is

2305
01:35:02,229 --> 01:34:59,840
that as long as there is a potential

2306
01:35:03,109 --> 01:35:02,239
threat

2307
01:35:05,030 --> 01:35:03,119
it is

2308
01:35:08,149 --> 01:35:05,040
easier

2309
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:08,159
to do the secret work

2310
01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:10,480
of doing monitoring and interactions

2311
01:35:13,669 --> 01:35:11,520
with

2312
01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:13,679
non-humans like the tall whites and the

2313
01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:15,360
tall nordics

2314
01:35:19,750 --> 01:35:17,920
without the world being concerned that

2315
01:35:22,550 --> 01:35:19,760
there could be a threat from some other

2316
01:35:28,310 --> 01:35:24,709
and he spoke just like that to me in

2317
01:35:33,510 --> 01:35:31,430
over the last three or four years

2318
01:35:37,109 --> 01:35:33,520
i have heard similar statements from

2319
01:35:38,870 --> 01:35:37,119
people who work in aerospace as

2320
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:38,880
engineers

2321
01:35:42,709 --> 01:35:40,800
people who are working in biological

2322
01:35:44,310 --> 01:35:42,719
sciences

2323
01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:44,320
people who are

2324
01:35:48,070 --> 01:35:45,760
working on

2325
01:35:49,990 --> 01:35:48,080
what would essentially be the

2326
01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:50,000
how are we going to open up the

2327
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:52,239
alcubierre warp drive

2328
01:35:58,470 --> 01:35:55,199
to the planet as a technology that would

2329
01:35:59,669 --> 01:35:58,480
get us point to point in the universe

2330
01:36:03,030 --> 01:35:59,679
before we've

2331
01:36:05,990 --> 01:36:03,040
even introduced the non-humans who have

2332
01:36:09,629 --> 01:36:06,000
helped us get that technology

2333
01:36:12,550 --> 01:36:09,639
and you begin to realize that it is very

2334
01:36:14,870 --> 01:36:12,560
complex when you have an entire planet

2335
01:36:16,870 --> 01:36:14,880
that has been kept in the dark on

2336
01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:16,880
purpose for centuries

2337
01:36:22,629 --> 01:36:20,000
that the uncorking of the truth

2338
01:36:24,550 --> 01:36:22,639
that governments and intel have had a

2339
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:24,560
lot of information developed since world

2340
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:26,880
war ii

2341
01:36:33,109 --> 01:36:30,480
and when it comes to how do you open up

2342
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:33,119
the truth if you compartmentalize the

2343
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:35,040
truth and you leave out that there may

2344
01:36:38,550 --> 01:36:36,960
be a threat

2345
01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:38,560
in the end you still have another

2346
01:36:44,070 --> 01:36:40,080
problem

2347
01:36:45,910 --> 01:36:44,080
so i understand that what is occurring

2348
01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:45,920
they're trying to get all of these

2349
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:47,760
various pieces now

2350
01:36:51,830 --> 01:36:49,600
in place

2351
01:36:54,070 --> 01:36:51,840
so that it could be a discovery through

2352
01:36:55,910 --> 01:36:54,080
something like the web which then it's

2353
01:36:58,229 --> 01:36:55,920
it's far away

2354
01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:58,239
and then eventually they will be opening

2355
01:37:02,229 --> 01:37:00,320
up all of these facets that they have

2356
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:02,239
had since world war ii

2357
01:37:06,790 --> 01:37:04,560
and learning more and more about

2358
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:06,800
um so

2359
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:09,280
essentially

2360
01:37:15,270 --> 01:37:11,760
i don't know if you could say that the

2361
01:37:18,709 --> 01:37:15,280
cia which was formed in 1947 at the same

2362
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:18,719
time as majestic 12.

2363
01:37:23,109 --> 01:37:20,400
did they have

2364
01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:23,119
a control reason

2365
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:25,280
that was just because they wanted the

2366
01:37:30,470 --> 01:37:28,880
cia and then eventually the nsa and the

2367
01:37:33,750 --> 01:37:30,480
dia and all

2368
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:33,760
that have been have evolved 1718 intel

2369
01:37:40,709 --> 01:37:39,510
did they want the control

2370
01:37:43,350 --> 01:37:40,719
because

2371
01:37:46,790 --> 01:37:43,360
they wanted to make sure

2372
01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:46,800
how it would be introduced to the world

2373
01:37:51,109 --> 01:37:49,600
to keep everybody calm

2374
01:37:52,709 --> 01:37:51,119
in that regard

2375
01:37:55,750 --> 01:37:52,719
it may be

2376
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:55,760
that government denials for decades is

2377
01:38:00,870 --> 01:37:58,719
because they did want to help

2378
01:38:05,430 --> 01:38:00,880
humanity get to a point where they could

2379
01:38:09,430 --> 01:38:07,669
there are as many arguments on the other

2380
01:38:11,430 --> 01:38:09,440
side

2381
01:38:13,030 --> 01:38:11,440
that it has been

2382
01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:13,040
corporations

2383
01:38:17,830 --> 01:38:15,760
government heads and power brokers

2384
01:38:20,550 --> 01:38:17,840
of earth

2385
01:38:22,229 --> 01:38:20,560
who have wanted to keep the power that

2386
01:38:24,709 --> 01:38:22,239
they have in the knowledge of

2387
01:38:26,950 --> 01:38:24,719
extraterrestrial biological entities to

2388
01:38:29,350 --> 01:38:26,960
them

2389
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:29,360
if you keep that kind of information

2390
01:38:32,550 --> 01:38:30,480
bottled up

2391
01:38:34,870 --> 01:38:32,560
to a small minority

2392
01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:34,880
they have the most power because they

2393
01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:37,760
have the secret knowledge

2394
01:38:41,669 --> 01:38:40,000
i think both

2395
01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:41,679
have been going on

2396
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:45,440
and that we are finally in 2022 out of a

2397
01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:48,239
huge horrible pandemic

2398
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:51,600
that it is beginning to be really clear

2399
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:54,320
that they can't keep this secret much

2400
01:38:58,950 --> 01:38:57,440
longer they have got to open up the

2401
01:39:02,310 --> 01:38:58,960
truth

2402
01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:02,320
that we are not alone in this universe

2403
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:05,040
and that why we homo sapiens sapien

2404
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:06,320
exist

2405
01:39:09,910 --> 01:39:08,480
is because of genetic manipulation on

2406
01:39:12,070 --> 01:39:09,920
this planet

2407
01:39:13,990 --> 01:39:12,080
by many different species for many

2408
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:14,000
different reasons

2409
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:17,280
but for us to be kept dumb and blind

2410
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:19,040
for another century

2411
01:39:23,350 --> 01:39:21,520
would be such an abuse

2412
01:39:26,070 --> 01:39:23,360
that i think that the tall nordics and

2413
01:39:29,189 --> 01:39:26,080
the tall whites are convinced

2414
01:39:31,350 --> 01:39:29,199
humanity needs to be told the truth

2415
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:31,360
and if they are told the truth with

2416
01:39:35,109 --> 01:39:32,880
allyship

2417
01:39:37,270 --> 01:39:35,119
that could handle a threat

2418
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:37,280
we will grow up fast

2419
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:38,639
but at least

2420
01:39:42,070 --> 01:39:40,480
the earth would get out of this

2421
01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:42,080
straitjacket

2422
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:44,719
of denials and lies

2423
01:39:51,910 --> 01:39:47,520
that we are alone in this universe that

2424
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:51,920
has at least three trillion galaxies

2425
01:39:56,709 --> 01:39:53,760
okay this question is related to that

2426
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:56,719
this one comes from jesus barabbi

2427
01:40:01,030 --> 01:39:59,199
linda and kurt i love what you're doing

2428
01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:01,040
please ask a question that pertains to

2429
01:40:05,669 --> 01:40:03,760
skinwalker ranch and if known how many

2430
01:40:07,590 --> 01:40:05,679
different alien species there are

2431
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:07,600
potentially

2432
01:40:13,510 --> 01:40:09,040
you mentioned the

2433
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:15,270
uh i have been told that there are at

2434
01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:19,520
least 168 different civilizations uh in

2435
01:40:24,629 --> 01:40:22,000
our milky way galaxy

2436
01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:24,639
and there are 3 trillion galaxies so you

2437
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:27,920
might take 168 and multiply it times 3

2438
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:30,320
trillion to get the estimated number of

2439
01:40:34,229 --> 01:40:32,239
civilizations in this particular

2440
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:34,239
universe

2441
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:37,119
the

2442
01:40:47,270 --> 01:40:44,709
i just had a thought explosion sure

2443
01:40:48,790 --> 01:40:47,280
start to give that question to me again

2444
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:48,800
yeah yeah no problem

2445
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:49,600
so

2446
01:40:53,669 --> 01:40:51,600
please ask ask a question that pertains

2447
01:40:54,790 --> 01:40:53,679
to skinwalker ranch and if it's known oh

2448
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:54,800
yeah how many species there are

2449
01:40:57,910 --> 01:40:56,560
potentially and also just my sub

2450
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:57,920
question if you can hold this in your

2451
01:41:02,830 --> 01:40:59,840
mind i'm curious

2452
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:05,669
hmm are there competing motivations

2453
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:07,679
between the different aliens so that is

2454
01:41:10,470 --> 01:41:08,880
and i also don't like to use the word

2455
01:41:12,070 --> 01:41:10,480
alien but just just

2456
01:41:13,590 --> 01:41:12,080
for lack of a better word are there

2457
01:41:15,430 --> 01:41:13,600
different

2458
01:41:17,990 --> 01:41:15,440
reasons for certain ones interacting

2459
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:18,000
certain ones not are some of them in

2460
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:20,159
favor of mankind and others don't like

2461
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:27,270
i have no personal knowledge whatsoever

2462
01:41:31,189 --> 01:41:29,040
as an investigative reporter and a

2463
01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:31,199
producer writer director editor about

2464
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:34,080
motivations of other intelligences in

2465
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:36,880
this universe the only thing that i know

2466
01:41:42,070 --> 01:41:37,679
is

2467
01:41:44,070 --> 01:41:42,080
trackless animal mutilations something

2468
01:41:46,149 --> 01:41:44,080
is doing the abductions of humans and

2469
01:41:49,270 --> 01:41:46,159
have been doing it since at least the

2470
01:41:53,030 --> 01:41:49,280
early 1960s and both of those

2471
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:53,040
military people testify about their own

2472
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:56,639
interactions with ufos on the ground in

2473
01:42:00,149 --> 01:41:57,760
the air

2474
01:42:02,629 --> 01:42:00,159
that there are dozens and dozens of

2475
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:02,639
first-hand testimonies about the

2476
01:42:07,830 --> 01:42:05,199
intrusions of e.t

2477
01:42:10,070 --> 01:42:07,840
type craft where we have minuteman

2478
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:10,080
missiles and nuclear

2479
01:42:15,430 --> 01:42:13,119
nuclear sites underground

2480
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:15,440
so it is a

2481
01:42:21,430 --> 01:42:18,400
huge number of different facets

2482
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:21,440
of whistleblowers and testimonies that

2483
01:42:25,030 --> 01:42:22,159
we

2484
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:25,040
now come to in 2022

2485
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:25,920
that

2486
01:42:30,870 --> 01:42:28,400
there's no doubt from people who have

2487
01:42:32,870 --> 01:42:30,880
any education whatsoever

2488
01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:32,880
about what is happening between

2489
01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:35,520
non-humans on this planet and a variety

2490
01:42:39,510 --> 01:42:37,840
of phenomena that we are not alone in

2491
01:42:42,070 --> 01:42:39,520
this universe

2492
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:42,080
and once you are there we're not alone

2493
01:42:47,109 --> 01:42:44,639
and there is a lot of testimony about

2494
01:42:49,990 --> 01:42:47,119
the types of civilizations that exist

2495
01:42:53,270 --> 01:42:50,000
between here and out 12 light years 20

2496
01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:53,280
light years and so forth

2497
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:54,800
when you hear

2498
01:43:00,709 --> 01:42:58,080
on tv or in news that there is a ranch

2499
01:43:02,629 --> 01:43:00,719
like the skinwalker ranch in utah i've

2500
01:43:05,350 --> 01:43:02,639
been there

2501
01:43:06,709 --> 01:43:05,360
and that people who have lived in a

2502
01:43:09,109 --> 01:43:06,719
ranch house

2503
01:43:11,830 --> 01:43:09,119
have seen orbs like the size of

2504
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:11,840
ping-pong balls come in through the

2505
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:13,199
walls

2506
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:16,800
orbs that float around in the house

2507
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:19,440
animal mutilations strange

2508
01:43:25,830 --> 01:43:20,880
shape-shifting

2509
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:25,840
animals all sorts of strange things

2510
01:43:32,070 --> 01:43:29,040
you realize that where the introduction

2511
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:32,080
to most people on the planet has always

2512
01:43:36,070 --> 01:43:33,040
been

2513
01:43:36,830 --> 01:43:36,080
in kinds of phenomena that are spooky

2514
01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:36,840
and

2515
01:43:41,189 --> 01:43:38,400
scary

2516
01:43:43,669 --> 01:43:41,199
and that may or may not be

2517
01:43:44,629 --> 01:43:43,679
a legitimate tool

2518
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:44,639
for

2519
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:47,280
why our government and other governments

2520
01:43:52,870 --> 01:43:50,800
have decided that they will just allow

2521
01:43:54,870 --> 01:43:52,880
the spooky nature of something like

2522
01:43:56,109 --> 01:43:54,880
skinwalker ranch

2523
01:43:58,310 --> 01:43:56,119
to be a

2524
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:58,320
self-perpetuating story

2525
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:01,119
because in a way it it deflects from

2526
01:44:05,669 --> 01:44:03,520
people knowing anything about what's

2527
01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:05,679
actually happening with the phenomena

2528
01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:07,679
with the technology

2529
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:09,920
mutilations abductions except in this

2530
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:11,199
one place

2531
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:13,199
so i have always thought of skinwalker

2532
01:44:17,189 --> 01:44:14,639
ranch as being

2533
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:17,199
one of those where it focuses down

2534
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:20,400
and therefore it seems it's manageable

2535
01:44:25,109 --> 01:44:22,800
it's on a ranch it's been there for

2536
01:44:27,750 --> 01:44:25,119
centuries

2537
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:27,760
uh when you read about what the navajo

2538
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:30,880
and the utes reported 300 years ago

2539
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:32,880
300 years ago

2540
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:34,800
in journals and things that have been

2541
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:37,920
passed down and then have been repeated

2542
01:44:42,149 --> 01:44:40,000
the youths in the navajos always

2543
01:44:44,390 --> 01:44:42,159
considered the uinta basin which is

2544
01:44:48,229 --> 01:44:44,400
where the skinwalker ranch is

2545
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:48,239
to be a place of what shapeshifters

2546
01:44:54,550 --> 01:44:51,840
the whole issue of skin walker that is a

2547
01:44:55,750 --> 01:44:54,560
native american name that goes back

2548
01:44:58,629 --> 01:44:55,760
to

2549
01:45:01,510 --> 01:44:58,639
300 200 years in navajo and youth

2550
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:05,430
what would the shape-shifting be

2551
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:09,840
from 200 300 years ago up to 2022.

2552
01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:11,520
when you jump over to the human

2553
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:13,520
abduction syndrome

2554
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:16,000
there are hundreds of stories of people

2555
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:17,040
seeing

2556
01:45:22,629 --> 01:45:20,239
something that look like one thing in

2557
01:45:24,390 --> 01:45:22,639
front of them and it morphs into

2558
01:45:27,430 --> 01:45:24,400
something else

2559
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:27,440
um a lot of descriptions by people in

2560
01:45:32,629 --> 01:45:30,320
the abduction i could see i was standing

2561
01:45:35,910 --> 01:45:32,639
on my bed and i could see through this

2562
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:35,920
reptilian next to my bed i could see the

2563
01:45:39,750 --> 01:45:37,040
dresser

2564
01:45:41,669 --> 01:45:39,760
through the being and then i knew

2565
01:45:44,070 --> 01:45:41,679
whatever i'm dealing with it's not flesh

2566
01:45:45,830 --> 01:45:44,080
and blood it is a projection like a

2567
01:45:48,709 --> 01:45:45,840
hologram

2568
01:45:50,390 --> 01:45:48,719
same type of issue at the skinwalker

2569
01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:50,400
ranch

2570
01:45:53,910 --> 01:45:51,760
projections

2571
01:45:56,470 --> 01:45:53,920
lights that might have been like a

2572
01:45:57,510 --> 01:45:56,480
hologram as well

2573
01:45:59,510 --> 01:45:57,520
so

2574
01:46:02,229 --> 01:45:59,520
whether it's the government

2575
01:46:03,030 --> 01:46:02,239
whether it's the non-humans

2576
01:46:13,510 --> 01:46:03,040
the

2577
01:46:16,149 --> 01:46:13,520
complex phenomena for so long

2578
01:46:18,149 --> 01:46:16,159
the utes in the navajo going back 200

2579
01:46:21,510 --> 01:46:18,159
300 years

2580
01:46:24,709 --> 01:46:21,520
it is as if there have been locations on

2581
01:46:26,310 --> 01:46:24,719
this planet where non-humans have based

2582
01:46:29,030 --> 01:46:26,320
themselves

2583
01:46:33,030 --> 01:46:29,040
and where the bases are are where there

2584
01:46:35,030 --> 01:46:33,040
are chronic centuries of phenomena

2585
01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:35,040
and i think that that is a true

2586
01:46:41,750 --> 01:46:39,360
assessment today of planet earth in 2022

2587
01:46:44,390 --> 01:46:41,760
that there are areas where there are

2588
01:46:47,109 --> 01:46:44,400
non-humans based underground

2589
01:46:48,149 --> 01:46:47,119
under oceans on this planet

2590
01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:48,159
and

2591
01:46:51,430 --> 01:46:50,159
those can be areas where there have been

2592
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:51,440
phenomena

2593
01:46:55,350 --> 01:46:53,520
and then there can be other areas where

2594
01:46:57,830 --> 01:46:55,360
there's no phenomena and there's no

2595
01:47:00,070 --> 01:46:57,840
bases that is another i think

2596
01:47:02,629 --> 01:47:00,080
calculation by the governments

2597
01:47:05,189 --> 01:47:02,639
they know where there are non-humans

2598
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:05,199
that are based on the planet and out

2599
01:47:09,030 --> 01:47:07,040
into the solar system

2600
01:47:09,990 --> 01:47:09,040
and as long as

2601
01:47:12,870 --> 01:47:10,000
they

2602
01:47:15,510 --> 01:47:12,880
know that the general population is not

2603
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:15,520
living and being uh exposed to things

2604
01:47:19,189 --> 01:47:17,600
like skinwalker ranch

2605
01:47:20,629 --> 01:47:19,199
they can get away

2606
01:47:23,350 --> 01:47:20,639
with not

2607
01:47:24,470 --> 01:47:23,360
explaining anything

2608
01:47:26,950 --> 01:47:24,480
but

2609
01:47:28,629 --> 01:47:26,960
what i'm seeing between skinwalker ranch

2610
01:47:31,030 --> 01:47:28,639
ancient aliens that i've been in for the

2611
01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:31,040
last 15 years

2612
01:47:36,709 --> 01:47:33,679
is that the tv programs that began to

2613
01:47:39,430 --> 01:47:36,719
develop my own work

2614
01:47:42,070 --> 01:47:39,440
there are so many people now

2615
01:47:44,790 --> 01:47:42,080
the population of people who have had

2616
01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:44,800
interactions with non-human beings is

2617
01:47:49,910 --> 01:47:47,840
really large on this planet

2618
01:47:52,470 --> 01:47:49,920
and people have not felt comfortable in

2619
01:47:55,590 --> 01:47:52,480
the past to ever talk about it

2620
01:47:58,950 --> 01:47:55,600
gnomes fairies probably all of it was

2621
01:48:02,629 --> 01:48:00,790
now the population

2622
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:02,639
the percentages

2623
01:48:08,629 --> 01:48:05,520
of people listening to any given

2624
01:48:10,390 --> 01:48:08,639
uh whether it's a broadcast or

2625
01:48:12,870 --> 01:48:10,400
whatever it is

2626
01:48:14,470 --> 01:48:12,880
they've had their own experiences and

2627
01:48:15,750 --> 01:48:14,480
they are the people that are coming

2628
01:48:19,510 --> 01:48:15,760
forward

2629
01:48:22,149 --> 01:48:19,520
to now for the first time in their lives

2630
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:22,159
speak about what they have experienced

2631
01:48:26,550 --> 01:48:24,000
and it is happening

2632
01:48:29,669 --> 01:48:26,560
faster and more than i have ever seen

2633
01:48:32,629 --> 01:48:29,679
before it is like an inertial force that

2634
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:32,639
is beginning to come from humans living

2635
01:48:36,870 --> 01:48:34,639
on the earth

2636
01:48:39,109 --> 01:48:36,880
that is the kind of energy

2637
01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:39,119
that i'm hoping that our government and

2638
01:48:42,229 --> 01:48:40,400
other governments

2639
01:48:43,750 --> 01:48:42,239
are finally going to look at all of this

2640
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:43,760
and say

2641
01:48:49,990 --> 01:48:47,199
it is way past time there's so many

2642
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:50,000
humans who are having experiences and we

2643
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:53,040
now need to fill in the gaps

2644
01:48:56,790 --> 01:48:55,040
and tell the truth and they can say it

2645
01:48:59,109 --> 01:48:56,800
with an apology

2646
01:49:01,510 --> 01:48:59,119
we are sorry we didn't tell you before

2647
01:49:04,149 --> 01:49:01,520
but it has taken us this long to

2648
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:04,159
understand how complex it is

2649
01:49:09,669 --> 01:49:05,520
and then

2650
01:49:12,229 --> 01:49:09,679
how many civilizations do we know about

2651
01:49:14,229 --> 01:49:12,239
that's where i think this is headed

2652
01:49:15,109 --> 01:49:14,239
and that the webb telescope will be part

2653
01:49:19,510 --> 01:49:15,119
of it

2654
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:19,520
and that hard data hard physical data

2655
01:49:23,109 --> 01:49:21,280
hard images

2656
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:23,119
will be how

2657
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:24,719
they will announce we're not alone in

2658
01:49:28,629 --> 01:49:26,239
this universe

2659
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:28,639
and then maybe we'll be back on a

2660
01:49:33,189 --> 01:49:31,119
healthy planet certainly healthier than

2661
01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:33,199
one that has denied

2662
01:49:37,589 --> 01:49:35,280
for centuries

2663
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:37,599
what is now a clear truth we're not

2664
01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:39,840
alone in this universe

2665
01:49:44,149 --> 01:49:41,199
do you see there being a connection

2666
01:49:46,709 --> 01:49:44,159
between ufos and bigfoot slash orbs orb

2667
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:46,719
seems intimately tied to the ufo

2668
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:49,920
experience what about bigfoot

2669
01:49:56,709 --> 01:49:53,520
in uh my two volume glimpses of other

2670
01:49:59,669 --> 01:49:56,719
excuse me in my two volume uh glimpses

2671
01:50:02,790 --> 01:49:59,679
of other realities books

2672
01:50:05,109 --> 01:50:02,800
i have a a fascinating chapter with a

2673
01:50:08,550 --> 01:50:05,119
man who got a hold of me living up in

2674
01:50:10,790 --> 01:50:08,560
snohomish washington and snohomish is

2675
01:50:13,510 --> 01:50:10,800
one of those areas where if somebody

2676
01:50:14,870 --> 01:50:13,520
said where have you had the most bigfoot

2677
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:14,880
sasquatch

2678
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:18,239
ufos animal mutilations half cats

2679
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:20,000
everything snohomish is one of those

2680
01:50:25,030 --> 01:50:22,560
areas what's a half cat

2681
01:50:28,149 --> 01:50:25,040
it's a variation on mutilations where

2682
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:28,159
the mutilations are an ear eye jaw there

2683
01:50:34,310 --> 01:50:30,960
are half cats and there's no blood and

2684
01:50:36,310 --> 01:50:34,320
no tracks and a lot of habcats in

2685
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:36,320
snohomish area

2686
01:50:43,589 --> 01:50:39,920
and uh i was uh

2687
01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:43,599
working in the 1990s on the two volume

2688
01:50:47,830 --> 01:50:46,000
when i got this first a letter and then

2689
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:47,840
was able to talk with him on the phone

2690
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:48,639
and

2691
01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:50,800
he did illustrations

2692
01:50:53,589 --> 01:50:52,480
uh he was

2693
01:50:55,910 --> 01:50:53,599
on a

2694
01:50:59,189 --> 01:50:55,920
quite a remote everything in snohomish

2695
01:51:01,109 --> 01:50:59,199
is quite remote and he and his dad lived

2696
01:51:03,189 --> 01:51:01,119
in a kind of cabin house and his father

2697
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:03,199
had asked him to go down and pull weeds

2698
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,800
in a garden

2699
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:06,480
and that's what he was doing just

2700
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:09,440
pulling weeds when he hears a buzzing

2701
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:12,080
sound first and a lot of people say that

2702
01:51:14,950 --> 01:51:13,520
it sounded like a

2703
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:14,960
thousand bees

2704
01:51:17,669 --> 01:51:16,400
that's the first thing they hear in the

2705
01:51:21,830 --> 01:51:17,679
sky

2706
01:51:24,550 --> 01:51:21,840
and then these were tall ponderosa trees

2707
01:51:25,750 --> 01:51:24,560
the ponderosas start moving there's no

2708
01:51:28,390 --> 01:51:25,760
breeze

2709
01:51:30,950 --> 01:51:28,400
he is in complete still air but the

2710
01:51:32,229 --> 01:51:30,960
trees start doing this moving as if

2711
01:51:34,629 --> 01:51:32,239
there's wind but he's not feeling any

2712
01:51:37,750 --> 01:51:34,639
wind yeah but there's no wind with the

2713
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:37,760
trees and then the buzzing and the trees

2714
01:51:41,669 --> 01:51:40,400
moving because he's turned to watch in

2715
01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:41,679
fascination

2716
01:51:46,149 --> 01:51:44,480
here comes this silver disc

2717
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:46,159
clear as can be

2718
01:51:51,030 --> 01:51:48,960
settles down right above where the trees

2719
01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:51,040
are going back and forth

2720
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:53,440
then he sees

2721
01:51:57,430 --> 01:51:55,520
what looked like two as he called them

2722
01:51:59,510 --> 01:51:57,440
like air columns

2723
01:52:03,109 --> 01:51:59,520
i could see that they were columns that

2724
01:52:07,350 --> 01:52:03,119
came down from the the disc

2725
01:52:08,790 --> 01:52:07,360
uh as if they were air in air no color

2726
01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:08,800
in other words he could just see

2727
01:52:12,629 --> 01:52:11,119
cylinders but it was like the air had

2728
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:12,639
made these

2729
01:52:16,149 --> 01:52:13,920
and then

2730
01:52:19,030 --> 01:52:16,159
two beings one in this column and one in

2731
01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:19,040
this column in sparkly leotard type

2732
01:52:21,669 --> 01:52:20,159
suits

2733
01:52:24,149 --> 01:52:21,679
come down

2734
01:52:25,830 --> 01:52:24,159
and he's still standing exactly where he

2735
01:52:28,830 --> 01:52:25,840
had been weeding

2736
01:52:32,870 --> 01:52:28,840
and he watches them come out of these

2737
01:52:35,510 --> 01:52:32,880
columns pay no attention to him

2738
01:52:38,070 --> 01:52:35,520
and they start walking in a path

2739
01:52:41,189 --> 01:52:39,430
should i

2740
01:52:44,229 --> 01:52:41,199
go after them

2741
01:52:46,709 --> 01:52:44,239
i i don't know what to do i feel afraid

2742
01:52:49,990 --> 01:52:46,719
and then he said

2743
01:52:52,310 --> 01:52:50,000
he heard a noise and he looked up

2744
01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:52,320
and coming down now in another one of

2745
01:52:58,629 --> 01:52:56,880
these air tubes it looked like a gorilla

2746
01:53:02,390 --> 01:52:58,639
comes down

2747
01:53:05,910 --> 01:53:02,400
this air opens up as he says it's a what

2748
01:53:08,550 --> 01:53:05,920
he called a sasquatch and now he is

2749
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:08,560
terrified he said i i think i stopped

2750
01:53:13,750 --> 01:53:11,280
breathing i stopped moving i don't know

2751
01:53:17,350 --> 01:53:13,760
what's going to happen but he said this

2752
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:17,360
sasquatch went right off behind those

2753
01:53:21,030 --> 01:53:19,840
two beings

2754
01:53:23,990 --> 01:53:21,040
that was

2755
01:53:25,270 --> 01:53:24,000
the story that he came to me about what

2756
01:53:27,189 --> 01:53:25,280
happened

2757
01:53:29,350 --> 01:53:27,199
then i was able to talk with the deputy

2758
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:29,360
sheriff who went out to investigate

2759
01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:31,920
and the deputy sheriff said

2760
01:53:36,070 --> 01:53:33,199
the path

2761
01:53:40,470 --> 01:53:36,080
where he had watched those beings

2762
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:40,480
the deputy made plaster paris of 17-inch

2763
01:53:45,109 --> 01:53:42,000
long feet

2764
01:53:46,149 --> 01:53:45,119
which our photograph is in my book

2765
01:53:48,950 --> 01:53:46,159
and that

2766
01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:48,960
at that period of time from from that

2767
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:51,520
point of going out to this farm

2768
01:53:56,709 --> 01:53:54,560
they had mutilations they had sasquatch

2769
01:53:57,910 --> 01:53:56,719
reports they had people calling the

2770
01:54:00,229 --> 01:53:57,920
sheriff's office saying they were

2771
01:54:02,709 --> 01:54:00,239
hearing this high-pitched loopy sound

2772
01:54:04,709 --> 01:54:02,719
that is associated with similar buzzing

2773
01:54:07,990 --> 01:54:04,719
or that's different

2774
01:54:11,109 --> 01:54:08,000
the buzzing is different

2775
01:54:13,750 --> 01:54:11,119
the eye looping voice is what has been

2776
01:54:16,390 --> 01:54:13,760
recorded by many people as associated

2777
01:54:17,430 --> 01:54:16,400
with the sasquatch recorded and

2778
01:54:20,629 --> 01:54:17,440
oh yeah

2779
01:54:22,870 --> 01:54:20,639
i have used recordings of sasquatch from

2780
01:54:28,470 --> 01:54:22,880
sohomish going all the way back to the

2781
01:54:28,480 --> 01:54:33,430
ce5 steven grier ce5

2782
01:54:39,030 --> 01:54:36,229
no i don't really so okay have you ever

2783
01:54:41,189 --> 01:54:39,040
tried any technique to induce

2784
01:54:42,870 --> 01:54:41,199
contact

2785
01:54:45,189 --> 01:54:42,880
no

2786
01:54:47,830 --> 01:54:45,199
have you had any experience with

2787
01:54:52,470 --> 01:54:47,840
craft on your own either when well

2788
01:54:58,870 --> 01:54:56,229
the one unusual sky object that i have

2789
01:55:02,830 --> 01:54:58,880
seen was in

2790
01:55:07,189 --> 01:55:06,310
um it was a documentary project

2791
01:55:11,910 --> 01:55:07,199
and

2792
01:55:15,030 --> 01:55:11,920
asked to go to a meeting with people

2793
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:15,040
about a new documentary in a bank

2794
01:55:18,390 --> 01:55:17,280
and the meeting broke up at around six

2795
01:55:21,589 --> 01:55:18,400
o'clock

2796
01:55:23,990 --> 01:55:21,599
and i'm coming out of one side of the

2797
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:24,000
bank everybody else went the other had

2798
01:55:28,070 --> 01:55:25,199
two

2799
01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:28,080
entrance exits so i'm alone coming out

2800
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:29,920
of the meeting

2801
01:55:35,030 --> 01:55:32,560
and when i uh came through the door and

2802
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:35,040
started down the stairs

2803
01:55:39,990 --> 01:55:37,840
i was looking at a beautiful slivered

2804
01:55:41,430 --> 01:55:40,000
moon and thinking how beautiful the sky

2805
01:55:43,669 --> 01:55:41,440
was

2806
01:55:47,350 --> 01:55:43,679
walking toward my car

2807
01:55:49,750 --> 01:55:47,360
with a briefcase on my right shoulder

2808
01:55:51,830 --> 01:55:49,760
and something that i'll never understand

2809
01:55:54,790 --> 01:55:51,840
made me spin

2810
01:55:57,910 --> 01:55:54,800
when i got near a car so hard that my

2811
01:56:02,149 --> 01:55:57,920
briefcase hit the car and i'm looking up

2812
01:56:05,030 --> 01:56:02,159
and there was this huge huge boomerang

2813
01:56:09,750 --> 01:56:05,040
shaped craft

2814
01:56:12,550 --> 01:56:09,760
and it had it did not have lights on it

2815
01:56:15,109 --> 01:56:12,560
but whatever it was made of which was

2816
01:56:16,709 --> 01:56:15,119
sort of like a grayish brown it seemed

2817
01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:16,719
metallic

2818
01:56:21,510 --> 01:56:18,960
it looked like that there were floors

2819
01:56:23,270 --> 01:56:21,520
and levels in in the front of it

2820
01:56:24,950 --> 01:56:23,280
and it tapered

2821
01:56:27,430 --> 01:56:24,960
and i

2822
01:56:29,990 --> 01:56:27,440
not a sound

2823
01:56:31,990 --> 01:56:30,000
and i stood there watching this move

2824
01:56:35,109 --> 01:56:32,000
without a sound

2825
01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:35,119
but knowing that this is exactly

2826
01:56:41,350 --> 01:56:37,840
the kind of phenomena that had been

2827
01:56:43,270 --> 01:56:41,360
being reported in new york state

2828
01:56:45,589 --> 01:56:43,280
a book was written about it and jay

2829
01:56:48,229 --> 01:56:45,599
allen heineck had done the forward

2830
01:56:52,390 --> 01:56:48,239
having to do with boomerangs

2831
01:56:54,310 --> 01:56:52,400
that moved slowly that had no sound in

2832
01:56:57,390 --> 01:56:54,320
new york

2833
01:56:59,109 --> 01:56:57,400
while i'm in colorado and this was in

2834
01:57:02,390 --> 01:56:59,119
1986.

2835
01:57:06,070 --> 01:57:02,400
so i had done uh the animal mutilation

2836
01:57:08,790 --> 01:57:06,080
broadcast was in 1980

2837
01:57:10,390 --> 01:57:08,800
may 25th 1980 was when a strange harvest

2838
01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:10,400
was first broadcast

2839
01:57:15,990 --> 01:57:13,440
so by 1986 i had been investigating

2840
01:57:18,149 --> 01:57:16,000
animal mutilations human abductions and

2841
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:18,159
all in my tv work

2842
01:57:21,589 --> 01:57:18,960
and

2843
01:57:24,229 --> 01:57:21,599
had heard people describe

2844
01:57:27,430 --> 01:57:24,239
something like this but it is the one

2845
01:57:30,550 --> 01:57:27,440
and only time in my life where i saw

2846
01:57:33,189 --> 01:57:30,560
something that made no sound

2847
01:57:35,270 --> 01:57:33,199
i have no idea but it matched what was

2848
01:57:36,790 --> 01:57:35,280
being described in another part of the

2849
01:57:39,350 --> 01:57:36,800
united states

2850
01:57:40,950 --> 01:57:39,360
man your memory recall is great for

2851
01:57:44,070 --> 01:57:40,960
dates and so on

2852
01:57:45,430 --> 01:57:44,080
holy moly i've had a fly paper mine

2853
01:57:48,550 --> 01:57:45,440
we were talking just the audience we

2854
01:57:50,070 --> 01:57:48,560
were talking off air about how linda

2855
01:57:52,149 --> 01:57:50,080
feels

2856
01:57:54,629 --> 01:57:52,159
as energetic if not more energetic than

2857
01:57:56,070 --> 01:57:54,639
she's felt at her maximum so that's

2858
01:57:57,189 --> 01:57:56,080
great

2859
01:57:58,629 --> 01:57:57,199
yeah

2860
01:58:00,870 --> 01:57:58,639
okay actually someone has a question

2861
01:58:03,350 --> 01:58:00,880
about that brandon detroit fan said

2862
01:58:04,870 --> 01:58:03,360
she'll be 80 in a couple weeks and looks

2863
01:58:06,310 --> 01:58:04,880
amazing can you ask her if alien

2864
01:58:08,470 --> 01:58:06,320
technology is keeping her looking so

2865
01:58:11,430 --> 01:58:08,480
great

2866
01:58:14,709 --> 01:58:11,440
well my 80th revolution around the sun

2867
01:58:16,950 --> 01:58:14,719
was celebrated yesterday january 20th

2868
01:58:18,709 --> 01:58:16,960
with my brother in santa fe we had a

2869
01:58:19,510 --> 01:58:18,719
wonderful time

2870
01:58:22,070 --> 01:58:19,520
and

2871
01:58:24,550 --> 01:58:22,080
the number eight zero

2872
01:58:27,270 --> 01:58:24,560
doesn't have a meaning to me because i

2873
01:58:30,229 --> 01:58:27,280
have never felt stronger or more

2874
01:58:32,709 --> 01:58:30,239
energized to keep doing the work that i

2875
01:58:34,950 --> 01:58:32,719
have been doing for 42 years trying to

2876
01:58:36,870 --> 01:58:34,960
get to the bottom of the ufo animal

2877
01:58:39,350 --> 01:58:36,880
mutilation human abduction government

2878
01:58:40,550 --> 01:58:39,360
cover-up we're not alone in the universe

2879
01:58:41,669 --> 01:58:40,560
story

2880
01:58:44,629 --> 01:58:41,679
and

2881
01:58:48,390 --> 01:58:44,639
for the first time i feel like

2882
01:58:52,310 --> 01:58:48,400
that the timeline that we're on

2883
01:58:53,109 --> 01:58:52,320
has to inevitably now open up

2884
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:53,119
to

2885
01:58:59,669 --> 01:58:56,400
finally a whole global uh power broker

2886
01:59:00,950 --> 01:58:59,679
leadership admission we're not alone

2887
01:59:04,149 --> 01:59:00,960
and that

2888
01:59:06,629 --> 01:59:04,159
the pandemic

2889
01:59:08,390 --> 01:59:06,639
the coveted pandemic has changed so much

2890
01:59:10,070 --> 01:59:08,400
about the world

2891
01:59:12,550 --> 01:59:10,080
and now i think we're going to have

2892
01:59:14,310 --> 01:59:12,560
another revolution which will be we're

2893
01:59:15,589 --> 01:59:14,320
not alone in the universe and we will

2894
01:59:17,430 --> 01:59:15,599
finally be

2895
01:59:19,669 --> 01:59:17,440
introduced at least to some of the

2896
01:59:21,510 --> 01:59:19,679
information that our government has

2897
01:59:23,350 --> 01:59:21,520
about different types

2898
01:59:25,910 --> 01:59:23,360
and where they are

2899
01:59:28,629 --> 01:59:25,920
and what they know and that we have

2900
01:59:31,750 --> 01:59:28,639
allies and there may be a threat but

2901
01:59:33,350 --> 01:59:31,760
that the allies are prepared to protect

2902
01:59:35,589 --> 01:59:33,360
and help us

2903
01:59:36,310 --> 01:59:35,599
and that may be

2904
01:59:42,390 --> 01:59:36,320
the

2905
01:59:45,109 --> 01:59:42,400
because

2906
01:59:46,310 --> 01:59:45,119
everything is not simple everything is

2907
01:59:47,430 --> 01:59:46,320
not

2908
01:59:50,310 --> 01:59:47,440
light

2909
01:59:52,070 --> 01:59:50,320
there's a lot of complexities

2910
01:59:54,149 --> 01:59:52,080
and i think that's what's been holding

2911
01:59:56,149 --> 01:59:54,159
the government back

2912
01:59:58,709 --> 01:59:56,159
and now going through two years and a

2913
02:00:01,109 --> 01:59:58,719
pandemic that's been so horrible

2914
02:00:01,990 --> 02:00:01,119
it's almost like

2915
02:00:03,270 --> 02:00:02,000
that

2916
02:00:04,390 --> 02:00:03,280
a new

2917
02:00:09,510 --> 02:00:04,400
future

2918
02:00:10,830 --> 02:00:09,520
has got to be telling us the truth about

2919
02:00:13,910 --> 02:00:10,840
other life in the

2920
02:00:15,350 --> 02:00:13,920
universe caleb peters on that note

2921
02:00:17,510 --> 02:00:15,360
actually and just i should say that

2922
02:00:19,510 --> 02:00:17,520
chichu 98 had a question about the

2923
02:00:21,189 --> 02:00:19,520
stephen greer and aliens via meditation

2924
02:00:23,350 --> 02:00:21,199
consciousness i asked that before but i

2925
02:00:24,870 --> 02:00:23,360
just want to give credit to chichu 98

2926
02:00:27,589 --> 02:00:24,880
because he had a similar question he or

2927
02:00:29,030 --> 02:00:27,599
she okay caleb peters wants to know what

2928
02:00:31,350 --> 02:00:29,040
does linda think about the recent

2929
02:00:33,589 --> 02:00:31,360
pentagon uap footage is the government

2930
02:00:38,550 --> 02:00:33,599
slowly releasing information to prepare

2931
02:00:43,669 --> 02:00:41,669
i think a decision was made somewhere uh

2932
02:00:45,750 --> 02:00:43,679
about

2933
02:00:48,390 --> 02:00:45,760
two to three years ago

2934
02:00:49,830 --> 02:00:48,400
that they had to start introducing

2935
02:00:52,870 --> 02:00:49,840
pieces

2936
02:00:54,709 --> 02:00:52,880
that could still be argued about

2937
02:00:56,470 --> 02:00:54,719
but that our government knew were

2938
02:00:59,990 --> 02:00:56,480
legitimate craft

2939
02:01:02,149 --> 02:01:00,000
and that that's where the navy of videos

2940
02:01:03,669 --> 02:01:02,159
and what we have been shown piece by

2941
02:01:05,430 --> 02:01:03,679
piece by piece

2942
02:01:07,350 --> 02:01:05,440
they have so they don't want

2943
02:01:08,950 --> 02:01:07,360
incontrovertible evidence because then

2944
02:01:11,109 --> 02:01:08,960
people would say oh aliens exist for

2945
02:01:12,790 --> 02:01:11,119
sure and they're trying to prepare us

2946
02:01:16,070 --> 02:01:12,800
slowly

2947
02:01:19,270 --> 02:01:16,080
yeah i think so i think that

2948
02:01:21,350 --> 02:01:19,280
the tic tac and the laying out of some

2949
02:01:23,669 --> 02:01:21,360
of these videos that

2950
02:01:26,870 --> 02:01:23,679
they the government knows

2951
02:01:29,270 --> 02:01:26,880
that they are showing legitimate ufo

2952
02:01:31,270 --> 02:01:29,280
from some other place meaning another

2953
02:01:33,750 --> 02:01:31,280
intelligence they know that

2954
02:01:37,510 --> 02:01:33,760
but the way it's been presented to us

2955
02:01:38,790 --> 02:01:37,520
over since 20 2018

2956
02:01:45,750 --> 02:01:38,800
is

2957
02:01:49,109 --> 02:01:45,760
they have not put those films out and

2958
02:01:51,830 --> 02:01:49,119
said this is extraterrestrial biological

2959
02:01:54,470 --> 02:01:51,840
entity technology and we know the beings

2960
02:01:56,550 --> 02:01:54,480
come from serious a

2961
02:01:57,510 --> 02:01:56,560
or some statement like that

2962
02:02:01,109 --> 02:01:57,520
which

2963
02:02:03,350 --> 02:02:01,119
that's when it will be real

2964
02:02:05,990 --> 02:02:03,360
kurt wouldn't that will you say it won't

2965
02:02:07,270 --> 02:02:06,000
be real until the our government and

2966
02:02:09,750 --> 02:02:07,280
other governments

2967
02:02:13,270 --> 02:02:09,760
are making those kinds of sentences

2968
02:02:15,589 --> 02:02:13,280
this is film that we know is this craft

2969
02:02:18,310 --> 02:02:15,599
from these beings

2970
02:02:19,510 --> 02:02:18,320
that live in this part of our milky way

2971
02:02:22,229 --> 02:02:19,520
galaxy

2972
02:02:24,470 --> 02:02:22,239
once that begins to happen which is

2973
02:02:26,070 --> 02:02:24,480
what i hope will still occur in the next

2974
02:02:28,470 --> 02:02:26,080
year or two

2975
02:02:31,189 --> 02:02:28,480
then it becomes real otherwise it's

2976
02:02:32,390 --> 02:02:31,199
exactly it's more of a deflection here

2977
02:02:33,589 --> 02:02:32,400
is

2978
02:02:34,629 --> 02:02:33,599
film

2979
02:02:36,390 --> 02:02:34,639
and

2980
02:02:38,149 --> 02:02:36,400
luge

2981
02:02:40,709 --> 02:02:38,159
lou elizondo

2982
02:02:43,270 --> 02:02:40,719
has made excellent points

2983
02:02:45,910 --> 02:02:43,280
about the fact that some of these

2984
02:02:48,629 --> 02:02:45,920
infrared or radar are an object that's

2985
02:02:50,229 --> 02:02:48,639
going 12 000 miles an hour and stops on

2986
02:02:52,390 --> 02:02:50,239
a dime

2987
02:02:53,510 --> 02:02:52,400
and there's no human technology that can

2988
02:02:55,589 --> 02:02:53,520
do that

2989
02:02:58,070 --> 02:02:55,599
there no human could survive the

2990
02:02:59,589 --> 02:02:58,080
inertial forces of 12 000 miles an hour

2991
02:03:03,189 --> 02:02:59,599
in stopping

2992
02:03:04,229 --> 02:03:03,199
so that is in of itself you would think

2993
02:03:06,550 --> 02:03:04,239
enough

2994
02:03:08,229 --> 02:03:06,560
evidentiary material that it would go

2995
02:03:10,310 --> 02:03:08,239
the next step and physicists would say

2996
02:03:11,990 --> 02:03:10,320
well that doesn't happen so we have to

2997
02:03:13,510 --> 02:03:12,000
be dealing with something that is not

2998
02:03:15,350 --> 02:03:13,520
human

2999
02:03:17,030 --> 02:03:15,360
and yet we're still

3000
02:03:19,430 --> 02:03:17,040
tiptoeing up

3001
02:03:22,950 --> 02:03:19,440
to that

3002
02:03:24,870 --> 02:03:22,960
rat x 172 wants to know

3003
02:03:28,950 --> 02:03:24,880
is there evidence that timelines can be

3004
02:03:35,910 --> 02:03:32,709
i am told that timeline manipulation is

3005
02:03:37,030 --> 02:03:35,920
one of the non-human technologies

3006
02:03:40,790 --> 02:03:37,040
but

3007
02:03:44,790 --> 02:03:40,800
what would be evidence to a human

3008
02:03:48,229 --> 02:03:44,800
that there was timeline manipulation

3009
02:03:50,790 --> 02:03:48,239
beyond what people in the uh abductions

3010
02:03:54,950 --> 02:03:50,800
have been reporting for decades

3011
02:03:56,950 --> 02:03:54,960
that they saw uh that it was 11 p.m

3012
02:03:58,790 --> 02:03:56,960
and then

3013
02:04:00,790 --> 02:03:58,800
they don't know what happens but the

3014
02:04:03,109 --> 02:04:00,800
next time they look at the clock it is 4

3015
02:04:06,470 --> 02:04:03,119
00 am and they know something happened

3016
02:04:07,350 --> 02:04:06,480
but they they call it missing time

3017
02:04:09,669 --> 02:04:07,360
so

3018
02:04:12,470 --> 02:04:09,679
it seems to me that the abductions going

3019
02:04:14,870 --> 02:04:12,480
all the way back into the 50s

3020
02:04:16,709 --> 02:04:14,880
and the certainly the early 60s they

3021
02:04:17,669 --> 02:04:16,719
always had this component of missing

3022
02:04:23,589 --> 02:04:17,679
time

3023
02:04:25,830 --> 02:04:23,599
or certainly manipulation of the human

3024
02:04:28,950 --> 02:04:25,840
mind

3025
02:04:31,589 --> 02:04:28,960
which loses what happens between 11 pm

3026
02:04:33,750 --> 02:04:31,599
and 4 a.m

3027
02:04:35,270 --> 02:04:33,760
see the way i interpreted that question

3028
02:04:36,390 --> 02:04:35,280
was not about

3029
02:04:37,830 --> 02:04:36,400
because we have that experience when

3030
02:04:39,510 --> 02:04:37,840
we're standing in line sometimes time

3031
02:04:41,910 --> 02:04:39,520
passes or when we're driving i'm

3032
02:04:43,910 --> 02:04:41,920
thinking more about some of the theories

3033
02:04:45,669 --> 02:04:43,920
around

3034
02:04:47,990 --> 02:04:45,679
what aliens are

3035
02:04:49,750 --> 02:04:48,000
is that they're a future human race and

3036
02:04:51,350 --> 02:04:49,760
they're coming back in time

3037
02:04:53,430 --> 02:04:51,360
so i'm thinking more in terms of time

3038
02:04:54,709 --> 02:04:53,440
travel and we ordinarily think of time

3039
02:04:56,629 --> 02:04:54,719
as having one dimension well what would

3040
02:04:57,990 --> 02:04:56,639
it mean if it has multiple dimensions so

3041
02:05:04,950 --> 02:04:58,000
i'm thinking in terms of that have you

3042
02:05:08,790 --> 02:05:07,189
the aerospace engineers and the

3043
02:05:10,950 --> 02:05:08,800
scientists that i've talked to in the

3044
02:05:11,910 --> 02:05:10,960
last 10 years

3045
02:05:14,550 --> 02:05:11,920
about

3046
02:05:16,629 --> 02:05:14,560
what they call manipulation of time

3047
02:05:19,510 --> 02:05:16,639
technology

3048
02:05:21,350 --> 02:05:19,520
has to do with how the advanced

3049
02:05:24,709 --> 02:05:21,360
civilizations

3050
02:05:26,470 --> 02:05:24,719
can literally manipulate timelines to

3051
02:05:28,550 --> 02:05:26,480
their advantage

3052
02:05:32,310 --> 02:05:28,560
something that i think is almost

3053
02:05:35,189 --> 02:05:32,320
incomprehensible to the human mind

3054
02:05:37,270 --> 02:05:35,199
we live in a timeline that we have no

3055
02:05:39,030 --> 02:05:37,280
influence on

3056
02:05:41,350 --> 02:05:39,040
and yet we are dealing with other

3057
02:05:43,589 --> 02:05:41,360
intelligences that appear to use

3058
02:05:45,109 --> 02:05:43,599
manipulation of time

3059
02:05:47,109 --> 02:05:45,119
in order to

3060
02:05:49,910 --> 02:05:47,119
abduct us

3061
02:05:52,550 --> 02:05:49,920
in order to accomplish

3062
02:05:55,430 --> 02:05:52,560
whatever their work is and the only

3063
02:05:57,189 --> 02:05:55,440
residue that humans end up with is

3064
02:05:58,790 --> 02:05:57,199
it was eleven o'clock

3065
02:06:00,709 --> 02:05:58,800
and when they become conscious again

3066
02:06:03,189 --> 02:06:00,719
it's four am

3067
02:06:05,350 --> 02:06:03,199
so the idea that we are dealing with

3068
02:06:07,030 --> 02:06:05,360
intelligences that would be us from the

3069
02:06:09,030 --> 02:06:07,040
future

3070
02:06:11,350 --> 02:06:09,040
i personally don't think

3071
02:06:13,109 --> 02:06:11,360
that that is

3072
02:06:15,430 --> 02:06:13,119
uh obvious to me

3073
02:06:18,790 --> 02:06:15,440
as much as that there are other

3074
02:06:21,270 --> 02:06:18,800
intelligences from other solar systems

3075
02:06:22,709 --> 02:06:21,280
that have had involvement with our

3076
02:06:25,990 --> 02:06:22,719
planet

3077
02:06:29,109 --> 02:06:26,000
as the dia guy told me in 1999

3078
02:06:31,430 --> 02:06:29,119
for at least 270 million years

3079
02:06:32,950 --> 02:06:31,440
that there have been conflicts

3080
02:06:35,669 --> 02:06:32,960
tremendous amounts of genetic

3081
02:06:38,950 --> 02:06:35,679
manipulation on our planet

3082
02:06:41,189 --> 02:06:38,960
by extraterrestrial biological entities

3083
02:06:44,470 --> 02:06:41,199
and we are one of the products

3084
02:06:47,669 --> 02:06:44,480
so that chromanian homo sapien sapien is

3085
02:06:50,910 --> 02:06:47,679
the latest example of what ets

3086
02:06:53,669 --> 02:06:50,920
manipulated in dna to create and

3087
02:06:56,709 --> 02:06:53,679
neanderthalensis would have been another

3088
02:06:59,030 --> 02:06:56,719
standing up humanoid before us

3089
02:07:02,069 --> 02:06:59,040
and that leaves then the mysterious

3090
02:07:07,750 --> 02:07:05,189
this leaves the question

3091
02:07:09,510 --> 02:07:07,760
why was there a cross fade

3092
02:07:12,870 --> 02:07:09,520
from neanderthal

3093
02:07:15,990 --> 02:07:12,880
to kromanian 45 000 years ago

3094
02:07:17,270 --> 02:07:16,000
the neanderthals had even a larger brain

3095
02:07:19,830 --> 02:07:17,280
capacity

3096
02:07:22,550 --> 02:07:19,840
than what came in the kromanian homo

3097
02:07:23,350 --> 02:07:22,560
sapien sapiens skull

3098
02:07:25,189 --> 02:07:23,360
so

3099
02:07:27,189 --> 02:07:25,199
they were big

3100
02:07:28,870 --> 02:07:27,199
they know from anthropology and

3101
02:07:31,589 --> 02:07:28,880
archaeology

3102
02:07:35,189 --> 02:07:31,599
investigations that the neanderthals

3103
02:07:36,709 --> 02:07:35,199
put flowers on the graves of their dead

3104
02:07:38,709 --> 02:07:36,719
that means that they had a spiritual

3105
02:07:41,750 --> 02:07:38,719
component

3106
02:07:44,870 --> 02:07:41,760
what was the reason that kromanian homo

3107
02:07:50,709 --> 02:07:44,880
sapien sapien current humanity

3108
02:07:50,719 --> 02:07:54,950
i don't know

3109
02:07:59,430 --> 02:07:56,629
well those are the questions that you

3110
02:08:02,149 --> 02:07:59,440
run into when you're talking with people

3111
02:08:04,629 --> 02:08:02,159
coming at this from a long career of

3112
02:08:07,750 --> 02:08:04,639
scientific investigations these are the

3113
02:08:09,270 --> 02:08:07,760
kinds of questions they have

3114
02:08:12,069 --> 02:08:09,280
there's this question that keeps coming

3115
02:08:13,830 --> 02:08:12,079
up over and over so i can't say the

3116
02:08:17,189 --> 02:08:13,840
specific username because there are many

3117
02:08:19,669 --> 02:08:17,199
usernames so one is mark medwed and

3118
02:08:20,629 --> 02:08:19,679
another is

3119
02:08:22,310 --> 02:08:20,639
well

3120
02:08:33,990 --> 02:08:22,320
it's just what's the latest in

3121
02:08:37,350 --> 02:08:35,670
before 2018

3122
02:08:41,270 --> 02:08:37,360
[Music]

3123
02:08:42,709 --> 02:08:41,280
i had talked with a whistleblower at a

3124
02:08:47,270 --> 02:08:42,719
conference

3125
02:08:49,350 --> 02:08:47,280
before covid were one of the best ways

3126
02:08:51,910 --> 02:08:49,360
to have people who had served in

3127
02:08:54,229 --> 02:08:51,920
military or intelligence

3128
02:08:56,310 --> 02:08:54,239
they can approach you in a crowd you're

3129
02:08:58,390 --> 02:08:56,320
covered by noise

3130
02:09:01,030 --> 02:08:58,400
and i have found that to be one of the

3131
02:09:03,830 --> 02:09:01,040
more successful moments where you will

3132
02:09:06,069 --> 02:09:03,840
get information and usually it's

3133
02:09:09,189 --> 02:09:06,079
verifiable later

3134
02:09:13,109 --> 02:09:09,199
so i'm in a conference and

3135
02:09:15,910 --> 02:09:13,119
a man approached me and he said

3136
02:09:17,750 --> 02:09:15,920
you really need to know that

3137
02:09:19,030 --> 02:09:17,760
in antarctica

3138
02:09:22,629 --> 02:09:19,040
there is

3139
02:09:26,069 --> 02:09:22,639
some kind of a huge gigantic base it's

3140
02:09:27,270 --> 02:09:26,079
been there for maybe millions of years

3141
02:09:29,589 --> 02:09:27,280
and it is

3142
02:09:31,910 --> 02:09:29,599
uh in the category of being an

3143
02:09:33,030 --> 02:09:31,920
extraterrestrial creation it's not from

3144
02:09:34,950 --> 02:09:33,040
humans

3145
02:09:36,390 --> 02:09:34,960
and he said and i have

3146
02:09:38,470 --> 02:09:36,400
a friend

3147
02:09:41,270 --> 02:09:38,480
who is a navy seal

3148
02:09:43,189 --> 02:09:41,280
and you need to hear from him firsthand

3149
02:09:44,709 --> 02:09:43,199
about what he has seen

3150
02:09:46,229 --> 02:09:44,719
on a mission there

3151
02:09:47,990 --> 02:09:46,239
that's how it starts is this spartan one

3152
02:09:51,109 --> 02:09:48,000
and two

3153
02:09:52,950 --> 02:09:51,119
okay yeah so

3154
02:09:56,149 --> 02:09:52,960
so within uh

3155
02:10:00,470 --> 02:09:56,159
about two or three months after that

3156
02:10:04,629 --> 02:10:02,550
i got letters

3157
02:10:06,470 --> 02:10:04,639
i got documents

3158
02:10:09,189 --> 02:10:06,480
dd24

3159
02:10:10,870 --> 02:10:09,199
14 forms that all people who have served

3160
02:10:12,550 --> 02:10:10,880
in the military in the united states

3161
02:10:16,390 --> 02:10:12,560
must have

3162
02:10:18,550 --> 02:10:16,400
on the backgrounds of these individuals

3163
02:10:21,750 --> 02:10:18,560
and

3164
02:10:25,030 --> 02:10:21,760
we were working through mail

3165
02:10:29,669 --> 02:10:25,040
as opposed to the phone

3166
02:10:31,669 --> 02:10:29,679
and i proposed in mail a place

3167
02:10:33,109 --> 02:10:31,679
that i could meet them

3168
02:10:35,109 --> 02:10:33,119
and that i would

3169
02:10:37,990 --> 02:10:35,119
be able to record them

3170
02:10:41,750 --> 02:10:38,000
about what they knew about

3171
02:10:43,990 --> 02:10:41,760
a base in antarctica

3172
02:10:49,430 --> 02:10:47,270
in the late summer of 2018

3173
02:10:51,189 --> 02:10:49,440
i was able to

3174
02:10:52,790 --> 02:10:51,199
make that meeting

3175
02:10:53,910 --> 02:10:52,800
and the

3176
02:10:58,629 --> 02:10:53,920
marine

3177
02:11:00,149 --> 02:10:58,639
spartan ii and the navy seal spartan1

3178
02:11:02,950 --> 02:11:00,159
came

3179
02:11:05,030 --> 02:11:02,960
and for uh two days

3180
02:11:06,069 --> 02:11:05,040
with me running camera

3181
02:11:07,750 --> 02:11:06,079
audio

3182
02:11:08,629 --> 02:11:07,760
setup

3183
02:11:12,149 --> 02:11:08,639
we

3184
02:11:14,310 --> 02:11:12,159
talked through what they knew firsthand

3185
02:11:16,069 --> 02:11:14,320
and it was under the condition that i

3186
02:11:19,030 --> 02:11:16,079
would voice alter

3187
02:11:19,380 --> 02:11:19,040
and keep them in silhouette

3188
02:11:20,790 --> 02:11:19,390
and

3189
02:11:21,830 --> 02:11:20,800
[Music]

3190
02:11:24,550 --> 02:11:21,840
after

3191
02:11:27,990 --> 02:11:24,560
i released my documentary

3192
02:11:31,189 --> 02:11:28,000
antarctica alien secrets beneath the ice

3193
02:11:35,109 --> 02:11:31,199
at the end of 2018 and into january of

3194
02:11:40,870 --> 02:11:38,310
i got another contact

3195
02:11:42,950 --> 02:11:40,880
from a person in new mexico who says you

3196
02:11:44,229 --> 02:11:42,960
need to meet

3197
02:11:46,550 --> 02:11:44,239
he's been

3198
02:11:48,870 --> 02:11:46,560
to this base that you're talking about

3199
02:11:50,830 --> 02:11:48,880
in this documentary with spartan 1 and 2

3200
02:11:54,229 --> 02:11:50,840
three

3201
02:11:55,430 --> 02:11:54,239
times and so i had another meeting

3202
02:11:58,069 --> 02:11:55,440
but not

3203
02:12:00,790 --> 02:11:58,079
he would not allow it to be recorded

3204
02:12:01,750 --> 02:12:00,800
so i got to hear from yet another navy

3205
02:12:05,189 --> 02:12:01,760
seal

3206
02:12:07,430 --> 02:12:05,199
who saw my work and was provoked

3207
02:12:08,629 --> 02:12:07,440
and what he added

3208
02:12:11,030 --> 02:12:08,639
was

3209
02:12:14,629 --> 02:12:11,040
three times in an even

3210
02:12:16,950 --> 02:12:14,639
bigger scientific context

3211
02:12:19,109 --> 02:12:16,960
that we were able to

3212
02:12:21,350 --> 02:12:19,119
find through deep ground penetrating

3213
02:12:23,669 --> 02:12:21,360
radar

3214
02:12:25,910 --> 02:12:23,679
evidence and have that evidence of this

3215
02:12:27,270 --> 02:12:25,920
huge underground installation which is

3216
02:12:29,910 --> 02:12:27,280
how

3217
02:12:33,589 --> 02:12:29,920
the seals came to go down there

3218
02:12:34,629 --> 02:12:33,599
they did missions specific missions

3219
02:12:36,470 --> 02:12:34,639
and

3220
02:12:40,069 --> 02:12:36,480
they both knew

3221
02:12:42,950 --> 02:12:40,079
that the walls were some kind of basalt

3222
02:12:45,510 --> 02:12:42,960
and that there was language that was

3223
02:12:46,709 --> 02:12:45,520
equally they measured it with laser

3224
02:12:49,030 --> 02:12:46,719
measurements

3225
02:12:50,390 --> 02:12:49,040
every single symbol thousands of them

3226
02:12:51,830 --> 02:12:50,400
was exactly

3227
02:12:54,390 --> 02:12:51,840
two point

3228
02:12:56,790 --> 02:12:54,400
one four or three four i don't remember

3229
02:13:00,229 --> 02:12:56,800
exactly the decimal

3230
02:13:02,470 --> 02:13:00,239
that the symbols as if they had been

3231
02:13:05,510 --> 02:13:02,480
created all at once

3232
02:13:07,830 --> 02:13:05,520
at exactly the same depth over all of

3233
02:13:11,109 --> 02:13:07,840
the walls in this big installation deep

3234
02:13:17,910 --> 02:13:12,229
and

3235
02:13:20,790 --> 02:13:17,920
another navy seal be able to take me

3236
02:13:22,790 --> 02:13:20,800
further with more details

3237
02:13:24,149 --> 02:13:22,800
has strengthened uh

3238
02:13:26,470 --> 02:13:24,159
what i think

3239
02:13:29,270 --> 02:13:26,480
isn't going to be another one of those

3240
02:13:31,669 --> 02:13:29,280
someday we will be told

3241
02:13:32,950 --> 02:13:31,679
that there is a huge installation two

3242
02:13:34,790 --> 02:13:32,960
miles

3243
02:13:36,470 --> 02:13:34,800
the all three men said that it was at

3244
02:13:39,270 --> 02:13:36,480
least two miles

3245
02:13:40,790 --> 02:13:39,280
under ice and that the closest place

3246
02:13:43,430 --> 02:13:40,800
that we would know

3247
02:13:45,430 --> 02:13:43,440
would be beard more glacier

3248
02:13:48,950 --> 02:13:45,440
and beardmore glacier

3249
02:13:51,589 --> 02:13:48,960
is famous with a c-130 crew

3250
02:13:54,069 --> 02:13:51,599
that had been flying in the 1990s in

3251
02:13:56,550 --> 02:13:54,079
antarctica for several months on

3252
02:13:57,589 --> 02:13:56,560
missions and they would see silver

3253
02:13:59,990 --> 02:13:57,599
discs

3254
02:14:02,790 --> 02:14:00,000
come up out of the beard more

3255
02:14:03,669 --> 02:14:02,800
edge not over the glacier but on the

3256
02:14:06,629 --> 02:14:03,679
edge

3257
02:14:09,669 --> 02:14:06,639
and that they had discussions as crews

3258
02:14:12,310 --> 02:14:09,679
why do these silver things come up and

3259
02:14:13,510 --> 02:14:12,320
they never cross over the beard more

3260
02:14:15,350 --> 02:14:13,520
glacier

3261
02:14:19,910 --> 02:14:15,360
so that had been another

3262
02:14:22,149 --> 02:14:19,920
part of why the navy was interested

3263
02:14:23,990 --> 02:14:22,159
what are these silver craft

3264
02:14:25,990 --> 02:14:24,000
that are coming

3265
02:14:27,350 --> 02:14:26,000
outside of beardmore glacier but in that

3266
02:14:30,390 --> 02:14:27,360
general area

3267
02:14:32,550 --> 02:14:30,400
so i have had several different facets

3268
02:14:34,149 --> 02:14:32,560
from several different people but the

3269
02:14:38,149 --> 02:14:34,159
strongest being

3270
02:14:40,069 --> 02:14:38,159
sparta 1 and spartan 2 for my film

3271
02:14:42,229 --> 02:14:40,079
do you believe those crafts or crafts

3272
02:14:45,990 --> 02:14:42,239
that uap phenomenon in general is

3273
02:14:47,750 --> 02:14:46,000
physical this comes from kinger90210

3274
02:14:49,510 --> 02:14:47,760
because bigelow and his institute the

3275
02:14:50,950 --> 02:14:49,520
bigelow institute

3276
02:14:52,310 --> 02:14:50,960
and others are slowly coming to the

3277
02:14:55,189 --> 02:14:52,320
conclusion that this is more of a

3278
02:14:57,189 --> 02:14:55,199
consciousness phenomenon

3279
02:14:59,589 --> 02:14:57,199
it's both

3280
02:15:01,270 --> 02:14:59,599
it's consciousness the universe is

3281
02:15:03,910 --> 02:15:01,280
conscious

3282
02:15:06,629 --> 02:15:03,920
interacting with brains i interviewed

3283
02:15:08,550 --> 02:15:06,639
roger penrose about this very issue back

3284
02:15:12,470 --> 02:15:08,560
in 2018.

3285
02:15:14,790 --> 02:15:12,480
and he and stuart hameroff

3286
02:15:17,669 --> 02:15:14,800
down in arizona they have

3287
02:15:20,149 --> 02:15:17,679
had hypothesized that we have brain

3288
02:15:21,669 --> 02:15:20,159
tubules that have been just discovered

3289
02:15:24,550 --> 02:15:21,679
in 2014

3290
02:15:25,669 --> 02:15:24,560
and their speculation as scientists was

3291
02:15:27,910 --> 02:15:25,679
that

3292
02:15:30,790 --> 02:15:27,920
the universe

3293
02:15:33,589 --> 02:15:30,800
has consciousness that can interact with

3294
02:15:35,669 --> 02:15:33,599
other conscious life forms

3295
02:15:36,350 --> 02:15:35,679
and that this is a very important part

3296
02:15:40,069 --> 02:15:36,360
of

3297
02:15:43,030 --> 02:15:40,079
humanity's future if we will just be

3298
02:15:44,149 --> 02:15:43,040
taught and educated about this

3299
02:15:45,669 --> 02:15:44,159
and

3300
02:15:48,069 --> 02:15:45,679
that

3301
02:15:51,189 --> 02:15:48,079
consciousness means

3302
02:15:52,310 --> 02:15:51,199
that you might be able to concentrate on

3303
02:15:54,629 --> 02:15:52,320
light

3304
02:15:57,350 --> 02:15:54,639
and affect the frequency of your mind

3305
02:15:59,669 --> 02:15:57,360
and your soul and your body

3306
02:16:03,430 --> 02:15:59,679
to create a relationship between a

3307
02:16:06,870 --> 02:16:03,440
conscious universe and consciousness

3308
02:16:08,870 --> 02:16:06,880
but that doesn't mean that the universe

3309
02:16:11,270 --> 02:16:08,880
that is conscious as

3310
02:16:13,669 --> 02:16:11,280
roger penrose would say

3311
02:16:16,870 --> 02:16:13,679
and the brains that are in it

3312
02:16:18,470 --> 02:16:16,880
it doesn't mean that everything

3313
02:16:21,030 --> 02:16:18,480
uh

3314
02:16:23,669 --> 02:16:21,040
is in a state of

3315
02:16:27,510 --> 02:16:23,679
just energy vibrating

3316
02:16:29,189 --> 02:16:27,520
matter this is a matter universe

3317
02:16:31,830 --> 02:16:29,199
matter beings

3318
02:16:33,750 --> 02:16:31,840
matter craft

3319
02:16:35,429 --> 02:16:33,760
both are

3320
02:16:38,790 --> 02:16:35,439
present when you get into these

3321
02:16:40,629 --> 02:16:38,800
discussions about advanced intelligences

3322
02:16:42,230 --> 02:16:40,639
they're coming in physical craft they

3323
02:16:44,790 --> 02:16:42,240
are matter craft

3324
02:16:47,830 --> 02:16:44,800
but they have the ability to

3325
02:16:48,709 --> 02:16:47,840
surf gravity waves

3326
02:16:50,469 --> 02:16:48,719
to

3327
02:16:52,950 --> 02:16:50,479
bend time as it's called like the

3328
02:16:54,150 --> 02:16:52,960
alcubierre warp drive and move point to

3329
02:16:58,150 --> 02:16:54,160
point

3330
02:17:00,950 --> 02:16:58,160
travel

3331
02:17:04,070 --> 02:17:00,960
since i did a strange harvest in denver

3332
02:17:06,469 --> 02:17:04,080
back in 1979 i met a physicist who told

3333
02:17:09,429 --> 02:17:06,479
me they even then that they knew about

3334
02:17:10,790 --> 02:17:09,439
ufos and ets that could move point to

3335
02:17:13,030 --> 02:17:10,800
point

3336
02:17:16,389 --> 02:17:13,040
so

3337
02:17:19,990 --> 02:17:16,399
matter and matter craft

3338
02:17:23,669 --> 02:17:20,000
that can perform

3339
02:17:27,030 --> 02:17:23,679
going from one point to another point

3340
02:17:28,469 --> 02:17:27,040
in seconds minutes days

3341
02:17:30,870 --> 02:17:28,479
that doesn't mean

3342
02:17:33,190 --> 02:17:30,880
that it is not a matter universe it

3343
02:17:34,469 --> 02:17:33,200
means that there are different

3344
02:17:35,910 --> 02:17:34,479
abilities

3345
02:17:37,750 --> 02:17:35,920
the more you

3346
02:17:39,830 --> 02:17:37,760
evolve in your uh

3347
02:17:41,110 --> 02:17:39,840
in your ability to work in the universe

3348
02:17:43,429 --> 02:17:41,120
that we're in

3349
02:17:45,190 --> 02:17:43,439
and that is what the famous space

3350
02:17:47,030 --> 02:17:45,200
tunnels that are being described for the

3351
02:17:48,389 --> 02:17:47,040
very first time in a lot of literature

3352
02:17:51,669 --> 02:17:48,399
is about

3353
02:17:53,349 --> 02:17:51,679
the space tunnels are how the non-humans

3354
02:17:55,349 --> 02:17:53,359
move around

3355
02:17:57,990 --> 02:17:55,359
and that is again coming back to the

3356
02:18:00,469 --> 02:17:58,000
alcubierre warp drive

3357
02:18:01,750 --> 02:18:00,479
we haven't been introduced to any of

3358
02:18:06,950 --> 02:18:01,760
this

3359
02:18:08,790 --> 02:18:06,960
is coming through people who are

3360
02:18:12,150 --> 02:18:08,800
physicists

3361
02:18:13,910 --> 02:18:12,160
uh who may be investigating what's going

3362
02:18:16,389 --> 02:18:13,920
on with ufos

3363
02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:16,399
but we're still in a segmented

3364
02:18:21,190 --> 02:18:18,880
fragmented world when it comes to any of

3365
02:18:22,150 --> 02:18:21,200
this information

3366
02:18:25,509 --> 02:18:22,160
leaks

3367
02:18:26,709 --> 02:18:25,519
give you hints what we need is the whole

3368
02:18:30,070 --> 02:18:26,719
truth and

3369
02:18:33,429 --> 02:18:30,080
the big picture about who is interacting

3370
02:18:34,950 --> 02:18:33,439
with us our planet why

3371
02:18:37,509 --> 02:18:34,960
and how

3372
02:18:38,790 --> 02:18:37,519
many of our own military forces as i've

3373
02:18:40,549 --> 02:18:38,800
been told

3374
02:18:43,830 --> 02:18:40,559
have been going out to other solar

3375
02:18:46,309 --> 02:18:43,840
systems since at least 1972

3376
02:18:48,790 --> 02:18:46,319
and the disconnect between what humans

3377
02:18:50,790 --> 02:18:48,800
may already be existing in other solar

3378
02:18:52,870 --> 02:18:50,800
systems in a military way

3379
02:18:54,790 --> 02:18:52,880
versus a planet that still has not even

3380
02:19:00,469 --> 02:18:54,800
been told the truth

3381
02:19:06,389 --> 02:19:02,309
so this question comes from

3382
02:19:08,709 --> 02:19:06,399
travis roberts at nm underscore uap

3383
02:19:11,669 --> 02:19:08,719
i have seen some interviews broach the

3384
02:19:13,669 --> 02:19:11,679
dodi benowitz issue with linda but it

3385
02:19:15,830 --> 02:19:13,679
doesn't seem to go well

3386
02:19:18,950 --> 02:19:15,840
much of linda's information can be

3387
02:19:21,349 --> 02:19:18,960
traced back can be traced back to miss

3388
02:19:25,830 --> 02:19:21,359
to mister disinformation himself i just

3389
02:19:28,549 --> 02:19:27,110
you're talking about

3390
02:19:30,790 --> 02:19:28,559
april 9th

3391
02:19:32,870 --> 02:19:30,800
1983

3392
02:19:34,469 --> 02:19:32,880
uh kirtland air force base in

3393
02:19:37,429 --> 02:19:34,479
albuquerque

3394
02:19:40,150 --> 02:19:37,439
this was a meeting set up for me by

3395
02:19:43,349 --> 02:19:40,160
peter gersten the attorney who

3396
02:19:44,549 --> 02:19:43,359
filed foia the first foia

3397
02:19:52,309 --> 02:19:44,559
freedom

3398
02:19:54,630 --> 02:19:52,319
for citizens against ufo secrecy

3399
02:19:58,070 --> 02:19:54,640
and

3400
02:20:00,070 --> 02:19:58,080
his name was peter gersten

3401
02:20:02,630 --> 02:20:00,080
let's i'll go back to get to the

3402
02:20:03,429 --> 02:20:02,640
timeline

3403
02:20:04,950 --> 02:20:03,439
in

3404
02:20:05,910 --> 02:20:04,960
march

3405
02:20:08,630 --> 02:20:05,920
of

3406
02:20:11,030 --> 02:20:08,640
1983

3407
02:20:13,429 --> 02:20:11,040
i was in new york city at home box

3408
02:20:17,270 --> 02:20:13,439
office signing a contract with home box

3409
02:20:19,510 --> 02:20:17,280
office to produce an hour film for hbo

3410
02:20:21,990 --> 02:20:19,520
they already had the working title ufos

3411
02:20:25,349 --> 02:20:22,000
the e.t factor

3412
02:20:27,990 --> 02:20:25,359
i had the meeting that afternoon with

3413
02:20:30,710 --> 02:20:28,000
executives at hbo and the head of

3414
02:20:33,510 --> 02:20:30,720
the documentary unit i had already

3415
02:20:36,230 --> 02:20:33,520
provided them a script outline of what i

3416
02:20:38,870 --> 02:20:36,240
wanted to do in ufos the e.t factor and

3417
02:20:41,030 --> 02:20:38,880
everybody was extremely excited about

3418
02:20:42,389 --> 02:20:41,040
doing this film

3419
02:20:46,950 --> 02:20:42,399
that night

3420
02:20:51,990 --> 02:20:49,990
peter gersten had represented citizens

3421
02:20:54,389 --> 02:20:52,000
against ufo secrecy

3422
02:20:59,190 --> 02:20:54,399
in the very first freedom of information

3423
02:21:01,990 --> 02:20:59,200
act filings as an attorney that led up

3424
02:21:03,190 --> 02:21:02,000
to a supreme court

3425
02:21:04,469 --> 02:21:03,200
session

3426
02:21:05,990 --> 02:21:04,479
in which

3427
02:21:07,590 --> 02:21:06,000
the he had

3428
02:21:11,030 --> 02:21:07,600
he peter

3429
02:21:12,950 --> 02:21:11,040
had filed against all known

3430
02:21:15,990 --> 02:21:12,960
intel agencies

3431
02:21:18,389 --> 02:21:16,000
for information about ufos and what they

3432
02:21:21,750 --> 02:21:18,399
were and represented and it finally

3433
02:21:25,590 --> 02:21:21,760
there was a headline in january of 1980

3434
02:21:28,950 --> 02:21:25,600
about this and the fact that when in

3435
02:21:31,030 --> 02:21:28,960
an in-camera session took place

3436
02:21:32,870 --> 02:21:31,040
uh with peter gersten there as an

3437
02:21:34,870 --> 02:21:32,880
attorney representing citizens against

3438
02:21:36,550 --> 02:21:34,880
ufo secrecy

3439
02:21:38,389 --> 02:21:36,560
the only

3440
02:21:41,429 --> 02:21:38,399
thing that was allowed

3441
02:21:43,990 --> 02:21:41,439
were pages all blocked out

3442
02:21:46,710 --> 02:21:44,000
stanton friedman would use those

3443
02:21:48,550 --> 02:21:46,720
pages blacked out for years after in his

3444
02:21:49,670 --> 02:21:48,560
conferences that this is what the

3445
02:21:52,150 --> 02:21:49,680
government

3446
02:21:54,070 --> 02:21:52,160
said to peter gersten on freedom of

3447
02:21:57,349 --> 02:21:54,080
information act request about what do

3448
02:22:00,309 --> 02:21:57,359
you know about ufos and et's

3449
02:22:03,590 --> 02:22:00,319
so that is the person peter gerson that

3450
02:22:05,910 --> 02:22:03,600
i met with after my hbo contract signing

3451
02:22:09,750 --> 02:22:05,920
that night

3452
02:22:12,630 --> 02:22:09,760
and he and peter wage and i

3453
02:22:13,510 --> 02:22:12,640
uh sat around on a small table where

3454
02:22:15,429 --> 02:22:13,520
peter

3455
02:22:16,950 --> 02:22:15,439
had a briefcase and he started bringing

3456
02:22:18,630 --> 02:22:16,960
out documents

3457
02:22:20,309 --> 02:22:18,640
handwritten letters

3458
02:22:21,590 --> 02:22:20,319
typed letters

3459
02:22:23,670 --> 02:22:21,600
of a person

3460
02:22:26,070 --> 02:22:23,680
richard c doty

3461
02:22:28,469 --> 02:22:26,080
on the documents on the letters who

3462
02:22:31,270 --> 02:22:28,479
worked at kirtland air force base

3463
02:22:33,110 --> 02:22:31,280
in afosi air force office of special

3464
02:22:36,070 --> 02:22:33,120
investigations

3465
02:22:38,070 --> 02:22:36,080
peter gerson is showing me linda howe

3466
02:22:40,389 --> 02:22:38,080
the producer now with the new contract

3467
02:22:41,910 --> 02:22:40,399
for hbo

3468
02:22:44,150 --> 02:22:41,920
look at what he is saying in these

3469
02:22:49,670 --> 02:22:44,160
letters

3470
02:22:51,590 --> 02:22:49,680
of a some kind of a laser what looked

3471
02:22:54,150 --> 02:22:51,600
like a laser beam

3472
02:22:57,190 --> 02:22:54,160
at ellsworth air force base

3473
02:23:00,070 --> 02:22:57,200
in which they had eyewitness military

3474
02:23:02,550 --> 02:23:00,080
that a silver disk landed

3475
02:23:05,750 --> 02:23:02,560
an opening came on the side

3476
02:23:08,870 --> 02:23:05,760
a security guard drew his weapon

3477
02:23:12,630 --> 02:23:08,880
an opening came in the ufo

3478
02:23:14,469 --> 02:23:12,640
a blonde being perhaps

3479
02:23:16,070 --> 02:23:14,479
came out

3480
02:23:18,630 --> 02:23:16,080
the

3481
02:23:20,630 --> 02:23:18,640
security guard

3482
02:23:23,190 --> 02:23:20,640
pulled the trigger

3483
02:23:26,309 --> 02:23:23,200
or was about to pull the trigger

3484
02:23:29,590 --> 02:23:26,319
and and what looked like a laser beam

3485
02:23:31,750 --> 02:23:29,600
hit the security guard's hand holding

3486
02:23:33,190 --> 02:23:31,760
the gun

3487
02:23:36,389 --> 02:23:33,200
his skin

3488
02:23:38,469 --> 02:23:36,399
was burned surface burned

3489
02:23:39,910 --> 02:23:38,479
but one of the amazing things to our

3490
02:23:43,190 --> 02:23:39,920
government was

3491
02:23:45,830 --> 02:23:43,200
what is that weapon because we want it

3492
02:23:47,510 --> 02:23:45,840
he dropped the gun but it did not

3493
02:23:50,710 --> 02:23:47,520
destroy the hand

3494
02:23:52,790 --> 02:23:50,720
with surface burns this is what peter

3495
02:23:55,590 --> 02:23:52,800
presented to me with at that dinner that

3496
02:23:57,110 --> 02:23:55,600
night in new york he said we want to

3497
02:23:58,389 --> 02:23:57,120
investigate this

3498
02:24:02,230 --> 02:23:58,399
and that this

3499
02:24:03,750 --> 02:24:02,240
afosi agent in albuquerque new mexico

3500
02:24:06,070 --> 02:24:03,760
has information

3501
02:24:08,950 --> 02:24:06,080
and we want to set up a meeting

3502
02:24:11,110 --> 02:24:08,960
you go talk to him about the ellsworth

3503
02:24:13,510 --> 02:24:11,120
air force base we want to investigate as

3504
02:24:18,790 --> 02:24:13,520
citizens against ufo secrecy

3505
02:24:22,070 --> 02:24:20,309
two weeks later

3506
02:24:24,150 --> 02:24:22,080
peter gerson calls

3507
02:24:26,070 --> 02:24:24,160
says here's the phone number

3508
02:24:27,349 --> 02:24:26,080
uh he says he can meet with you on april

3509
02:24:29,750 --> 02:24:27,359
9th

3510
02:24:33,750 --> 02:24:29,760
call and confirm

3511
02:24:35,670 --> 02:24:33,760
so when i flew down to albuquerque

3512
02:24:38,550 --> 02:24:35,680
to have the meeting it was set up by

3513
02:24:40,630 --> 02:24:38,560
peter gersten the attorney

3514
02:24:43,670 --> 02:24:40,640
what i was supposed to be given

3515
02:24:44,630 --> 02:24:43,680
information about i was told

3516
02:24:47,349 --> 02:24:44,640
is

3517
02:24:48,550 --> 02:24:47,359
the ellsworth case

3518
02:24:51,429 --> 02:24:48,560
when

3519
02:24:53,429 --> 02:24:51,439
i am taken into the afosi office through

3520
02:24:56,230 --> 02:24:53,439
all these punch locks where they have to

3521
02:24:57,590 --> 02:24:56,240
punch buttons to get through doors and

3522
02:25:01,190 --> 02:24:57,600
we went into

3523
02:25:03,030 --> 02:25:01,200
a big office he said my boss said to use

3524
02:25:09,910 --> 02:25:03,040
his office

3525
02:25:12,230 --> 02:25:09,920
they were two stairs down from the door

3526
02:25:13,830 --> 02:25:12,240
to where the actual desks in the office

3527
02:25:16,950 --> 02:25:13,840
were

3528
02:25:21,750 --> 02:25:19,030
you broadsided the united states

3529
02:25:22,790 --> 02:25:21,760
government with that film you did

3530
02:25:26,309 --> 02:25:22,800
and i

3531
02:25:29,030 --> 02:25:26,319
i'm thinking peter gersten and ellsworth

3532
02:25:31,429 --> 02:25:29,040
what are you talking about he said your

3533
02:25:33,190 --> 02:25:31,439
documentary is strange harvest

3534
02:25:35,429 --> 02:25:33,200
we never thought

3535
02:25:37,910 --> 02:25:35,439
that any credible professional

3536
02:25:39,429 --> 02:25:37,920
journalist would touch that with a 100

3537
02:25:41,349 --> 02:25:39,439
foot pole

3538
02:25:43,670 --> 02:25:41,359
that's how that started

3539
02:25:45,990 --> 02:25:43,680
that's exactly where it started

3540
02:25:48,150 --> 02:25:46,000
and he sat down behind the desk and

3541
02:25:49,270 --> 02:25:48,160
motioned to a chair

3542
02:25:51,750 --> 02:25:49,280
and

3543
02:25:55,510 --> 02:25:51,760
i think that i am there

3544
02:25:58,230 --> 02:25:55,520
to get the names of witnesses to the

3545
02:26:01,030 --> 02:25:58,240
laser shooting at ellsworth air force

3546
02:26:04,790 --> 02:26:01,040
base that peter gerson and i would work

3547
02:26:06,469 --> 02:26:04,800
on as a segment for hbo

3548
02:26:09,190 --> 02:26:06,479
and when i asked him if he had the

3549
02:26:11,110 --> 02:26:09,200
witness names because that's what peter

3550
02:26:12,309 --> 02:26:11,120
said to ask for

3551
02:26:14,790 --> 02:26:12,319
he said

3552
02:26:17,750 --> 02:26:14,800
that's really not as important

3553
02:26:20,550 --> 02:26:17,760
as my superior officers i think is the

3554
02:26:23,030 --> 02:26:20,560
way he put it or my superiors

3555
02:26:26,950 --> 02:26:23,040
have asked me to show you this and he

3556
02:26:28,710 --> 02:26:26,960
reached into a drawer and pulled out of

3557
02:26:30,309 --> 02:26:28,720
that kind of shape

3558
02:26:31,670 --> 02:26:30,319
envelope

3559
02:26:32,950 --> 02:26:31,680
and reached in

3560
02:26:36,309 --> 02:26:32,960
and pulled out

3561
02:26:38,070 --> 02:26:36,319
maybe 12 pages

3562
02:26:39,990 --> 02:26:38,080
and he said

3563
02:26:42,070 --> 02:26:40,000
you can read this

3564
02:26:43,670 --> 02:26:42,080
but you cannot take notes

3565
02:26:45,750 --> 02:26:43,680
and i want you to move from the chair

3566
02:26:47,750 --> 02:26:45,760
you're in to that chair and there was a

3567
02:26:49,349 --> 02:26:47,760
large chair in the middle of this large

3568
02:26:51,830 --> 02:26:49,359
office

3569
02:26:54,630 --> 02:26:51,840
later on i would learn that that chair

3570
02:26:57,190 --> 02:26:54,640
was what was used to videotape people

3571
02:26:59,750 --> 02:26:57,200
who were brought to that office but

3572
02:27:02,389 --> 02:26:59,760
right then

3573
02:27:06,309 --> 02:27:02,399
everything is changing because i think

3574
02:27:08,230 --> 02:27:06,319
i am supposed to get the witness names

3575
02:27:09,429 --> 02:27:08,240
of ellsworth

3576
02:27:11,910 --> 02:27:09,439
and leave

3577
02:27:14,710 --> 02:27:11,920
i had another meeting scheduled with

3578
02:27:17,670 --> 02:27:14,720
other people in new mexico

3579
02:27:19,990 --> 02:27:17,680
but now i have in front of me on the top

3580
02:27:22,150 --> 02:27:20,000
page all caps

3581
02:27:24,550 --> 02:27:22,160
briefing paper for the president of the

3582
02:27:27,750 --> 02:27:24,560
united states of america on the subject

3583
02:27:31,429 --> 02:27:27,760
of unidentified aerial craft

3584
02:27:34,070 --> 02:27:31,439
the briefing paper did not use ufo uap

3585
02:27:36,790 --> 02:27:34,080
it was uac

3586
02:27:44,870 --> 02:27:40,790
unidentified area vehicles uavs uavs and

3587
02:27:49,750 --> 02:27:46,790
the first page

3588
02:27:50,870 --> 02:27:49,760
was the typical robinson panel sign

3589
02:27:53,510 --> 02:27:50,880
grudge

3590
02:27:55,190 --> 02:27:53,520
mantel the airplane that was exploded by

3591
02:27:57,349 --> 02:27:55,200
a ufo all

3592
02:27:59,349 --> 02:27:57,359
coming into the first page the second

3593
02:28:02,309 --> 02:27:59,359
page i'm reading history

3594
02:28:03,830 --> 02:28:02,319
and then somewhere around the third page

3595
02:28:07,510 --> 02:28:03,840
in the middle

3596
02:28:14,790 --> 02:28:09,990
a subject

3597
02:28:17,110 --> 02:28:14,800
about in the past in the ancient past

3598
02:28:19,590 --> 02:28:17,120
and it said

3599
02:28:20,790 --> 02:28:19,600
these extraterrestrial biological

3600
02:28:23,590 --> 02:28:20,800
entities

3601
02:28:26,469 --> 02:28:23,600
manipulated dna in already evolving

3602
02:28:29,670 --> 02:28:26,479
primates to create homo sapiens and the

3603
02:28:31,590 --> 02:28:29,680
latin homo sapien was there

3604
02:28:33,349 --> 02:28:31,600
and then it went on for two or three

3605
02:28:36,790 --> 02:28:33,359
more sentences

3606
02:28:38,230 --> 02:28:36,800
did it happen to give a timeline of

3607
02:28:41,510 --> 02:28:38,240
no

3608
02:28:44,630 --> 02:28:41,520
and then it went on for two or three

3609
02:28:45,349 --> 02:28:44,640
more sentences

3610
02:28:48,710 --> 02:28:45,359
and

3611
02:28:51,349 --> 02:28:48,720
at the end of this document tying to

3612
02:28:53,110 --> 02:28:51,359
that paragraph

3613
02:28:56,550 --> 02:28:53,120
was a

3614
02:28:59,750 --> 02:28:56,560
list of project names

3615
02:29:01,270 --> 02:28:59,760
and the top project all caps

3616
02:29:06,830 --> 02:29:01,280
project garnet

3617
02:29:12,630 --> 02:29:10,389
that remember your birthstone linda

3618
02:29:14,230 --> 02:29:12,640
remember your birthstone i'm born

3619
02:29:17,270 --> 02:29:14,240
january 20th

3620
02:29:19,429 --> 02:29:17,280
and the birthstone is garnet

3621
02:29:21,670 --> 02:29:19,439
so it said project garnet

3622
02:29:24,230 --> 02:29:21,680
all caps and this is exactly what it

3623
02:29:26,950 --> 02:29:24,240
said because i've never forgotten

3624
02:29:29,110 --> 02:29:26,960
all questions and mysteries

3625
02:29:31,510 --> 02:29:29,120
about the evolution of homo sapien on

3626
02:29:35,190 --> 02:29:31,520
this planet have been answered and this

3627
02:29:40,469 --> 02:29:38,150
and i am a person

3628
02:29:44,070 --> 02:29:40,479
who i'm sitting there

3629
02:29:45,750 --> 02:29:44,080
because i thought i was doing a military

3630
02:29:47,910 --> 02:29:45,760
ellsworth

3631
02:29:51,429 --> 02:29:47,920
laser shootout

3632
02:29:54,389 --> 02:29:51,439
with a being at a silver disk

3633
02:29:57,349 --> 02:29:54,399
i'm being shown a briefing paper for the

3634
02:29:59,750 --> 02:29:57,359
president of the united states allegedly

3635
02:30:02,150 --> 02:29:59,760
that is talking about ancient history

3636
02:30:04,309 --> 02:30:02,160
and the manipulation of dna

3637
02:30:05,670 --> 02:30:04,319
in already evolving primates to create

3638
02:30:08,150 --> 02:30:05,680
humans

3639
02:30:11,670 --> 02:30:08,160
and that it is referenced twice in the

3640
02:30:14,950 --> 02:30:13,349
from that day

3641
02:30:15,910 --> 02:30:14,960
forward

3642
02:30:18,150 --> 02:30:15,920
because

3643
02:30:20,230 --> 02:30:18,160
as a professional when i got back to

3644
02:30:23,110 --> 02:30:20,240
denver the first person i called was

3645
02:30:26,230 --> 02:30:23,120
gene abenader the director of uh hbo

3646
02:30:27,830 --> 02:30:26,240
documentary in new york

3647
02:30:32,710 --> 02:30:27,840
i explained

3648
02:30:35,190 --> 02:30:32,720
i came for a meeting about ellsworth

3649
02:30:38,550 --> 02:30:35,200
i have now been presented a paper that

3650
02:30:41,270 --> 02:30:38,560
seems to imply that the entire evolution

3651
02:30:43,190 --> 02:30:41,280
of humanity is related to genetic

3652
02:30:45,270 --> 02:30:43,200
manipulation by extraterrestrial

3653
02:30:46,790 --> 02:30:45,280
biological entities

3654
02:30:48,630 --> 02:30:46,800
she said

3655
02:30:49,990 --> 02:30:48,640
you must come back to new york for

3656
02:30:53,110 --> 02:30:50,000
another meeting

3657
02:30:55,750 --> 02:30:53,120
we must talk about this with bridget uh

3658
02:30:58,790 --> 02:30:55,760
potter and michael fuchs was the head of

3659
02:31:00,630 --> 02:30:58,800
hbo and bridget potter potter was second

3660
02:31:02,630 --> 02:31:00,640
in command

3661
02:31:04,630 --> 02:31:02,640
and

3662
02:31:07,510 --> 02:31:04,640
two weeks later

3663
02:31:10,469 --> 02:31:07,520
i'm in new york

3664
02:31:12,469 --> 02:31:10,479
i'm sitting in front of bridget potter i

3665
02:31:14,550 --> 02:31:12,479
explain everything i've just explained

3666
02:31:17,830 --> 02:31:14,560
to you

3667
02:31:18,710 --> 02:31:17,840
i have some materials

3668
02:31:20,469 --> 02:31:18,720
and

3669
02:31:22,630 --> 02:31:20,479
she said unless

3670
02:31:25,110 --> 02:31:22,640
you can bring to me

3671
02:31:27,670 --> 02:31:25,120
statements or the person who is

3672
02:31:28,870 --> 02:31:27,680
president of the united states the vice

3673
02:31:31,429 --> 02:31:28,880
president

3674
02:31:33,030 --> 02:31:31,439
the secretary of defense and the joint

3675
02:31:35,110 --> 02:31:33,040
chiefs of staff

3676
02:31:40,830 --> 02:31:35,120
i will not authorize funding for

3677
02:31:45,830 --> 02:31:43,429
documentary gene abinador

3678
02:31:47,510 --> 02:31:45,840
looked devastated the documentary crew

3679
02:31:49,750 --> 02:31:47,520
at hbo they

3680
02:31:52,550 --> 02:31:49,760
we had a script we'd already had

3681
02:31:55,510 --> 02:31:52,560
approval on the script

3682
02:31:58,150 --> 02:31:55,520
i have to if i'm going to work on any of

3683
02:32:00,910 --> 02:31:58,160
the material that richard dodie has

3684
02:32:02,630 --> 02:32:00,920
talked about that they may be able to

3685
02:32:05,429 --> 02:32:02,640
unfold

3686
02:32:07,750 --> 02:32:05,439
i had to talk with hbo but that's how

3687
02:32:09,590 --> 02:32:07,760
in within two weeks

3688
02:32:11,910 --> 02:32:09,600
signing a contract

3689
02:32:14,550 --> 02:32:11,920
april 9th going to kirtland set up by

3690
02:32:17,510 --> 02:32:14,560
peter gersten

3691
02:32:19,349 --> 02:32:17,520
and everything goes off on a completely

3692
02:32:20,870 --> 02:32:19,359
different track

3693
02:32:22,710 --> 02:32:20,880
and then

3694
02:32:24,870 --> 02:32:22,720
i had to decide

3695
02:32:26,230 --> 02:32:24,880
what am i going to do bridget potter

3696
02:32:29,110 --> 02:32:26,240
said if you can

3697
02:32:31,349 --> 02:32:29,120
bring back any of those people the

3698
02:32:33,510 --> 02:32:31,359
president the vice president the

3699
02:32:35,349 --> 02:32:33,520
secretary of defense

3700
02:32:37,670 --> 02:32:35,359
the chairman of the joint chiefs of

3701
02:32:39,990 --> 02:32:37,680
staff and she seemed to be serious

3702
02:32:42,550 --> 02:32:40,000
if you can bring any of them to me

3703
02:32:44,469 --> 02:32:42,560
i will then reauthorize going forward on

3704
02:32:46,150 --> 02:32:44,479
this documentary

3705
02:32:46,950 --> 02:32:46,160
so

3706
02:32:50,230 --> 02:32:46,960
the

3707
02:32:52,790 --> 02:32:50,240
rest of 1980

3708
02:33:00,790 --> 02:32:52,800
to

3709
02:33:02,950 --> 02:33:00,800
the fall of 85

3710
02:33:04,469 --> 02:33:02,960
it was my money

3711
02:33:06,469 --> 02:33:04,479
my time

3712
02:33:06,880 --> 02:33:06,479
my development

3713
02:33:08,710 --> 02:33:06,890
and

3714
02:33:10,150 --> 02:33:08,720
[Music]

3715
02:33:13,030 --> 02:33:10,160
and then the

3716
02:33:17,590 --> 02:33:13,040
the contract ran out

3717
02:33:20,630 --> 02:33:17,600
in uh 1980 end of 1985

3718
02:33:22,070 --> 02:33:20,640
and by then i had decided that i was

3719
02:33:25,030 --> 02:33:22,080
going to

3720
02:33:27,910 --> 02:33:25,040
continue to try to do documentary work

3721
02:33:31,030 --> 02:33:27,920
in this field because

3722
02:33:33,830 --> 02:33:31,040
those sentences in that paper

3723
02:33:35,830 --> 02:33:33,840
having to do with

3724
02:33:38,070 --> 02:33:35,840
these extraterrestrial biological

3725
02:33:42,070 --> 02:33:38,080
entities manipulated dna and already

3726
02:33:44,150 --> 02:33:42,080
evolving primates to create homo sapien

3727
02:33:46,230 --> 02:33:44,160
that

3728
02:33:48,630 --> 02:33:46,240
i could never turn away from wanting to

3729
02:33:50,150 --> 02:33:48,640
know more

3730
02:33:52,070 --> 02:33:50,160
do they use the word biological to

3731
02:33:53,750 --> 02:33:52,080
describe the aliens

3732
02:33:59,270 --> 02:33:53,760
yes

3733
02:34:01,190 --> 02:33:59,280
are the three words that make up the

3734
02:34:03,429 --> 02:34:01,200
acronym that they have been using for

3735
02:34:06,870 --> 02:34:03,439
decades ebens

3736
02:34:09,190 --> 02:34:06,880
all caps e-b-e-n little s

3737
02:34:11,429 --> 02:34:09,200
ebens extraterrestrial

3738
02:34:14,150 --> 02:34:11,439
biological entities

3739
02:34:18,870 --> 02:34:14,160
some of the beings are extraterrestrial

3740
02:34:20,710 --> 02:34:18,880
biological entities many more than ebons

3741
02:34:22,469 --> 02:34:20,720
are the androids

3742
02:34:25,670 --> 02:34:22,479
the cyborgs

3743
02:34:28,230 --> 02:34:25,680
the robots that are made

3744
02:34:29,590 --> 02:34:28,240
today i can tell you that for sure

3745
02:34:31,270 --> 02:34:29,600
i know that we're dealing with

3746
02:34:33,110 --> 02:34:31,280
tremendous amounts of artificial

3747
02:34:34,389 --> 02:34:33,120
intelligence we're also dealing with

3748
02:34:36,070 --> 02:34:34,399
holograms

3749
02:34:37,590 --> 02:34:36,080
but i'm telling you what happened to

3750
02:34:39,830 --> 02:34:37,600
your question

3751
02:34:41,510 --> 02:34:39,840
in 1983

3752
02:34:43,830 --> 02:34:41,520
having signed a contract to do a

3753
02:34:45,750 --> 02:34:43,840
documentary for home box office and

3754
02:34:47,830 --> 02:34:45,760
exactly what happened

3755
02:34:49,190 --> 02:34:47,840
with peter gersten the attorney setting

3756
02:34:52,230 --> 02:34:49,200
up the meeting

3757
02:34:53,910 --> 02:34:52,240
at kirtland air force base for me to go

3758
02:34:55,429 --> 02:34:53,920
with one direction in the film to

3759
02:34:57,190 --> 02:34:55,439
ellsworth and

3760
02:34:58,550 --> 02:34:57,200
everything

3761
02:35:01,429 --> 02:34:58,560
being

3762
02:35:05,670 --> 02:35:01,439
document

3763
02:35:11,190 --> 02:35:08,070
we're talking about the creation of

3764
02:35:13,190 --> 02:35:11,200
of humans by extraterrestrials

3765
02:35:17,910 --> 02:35:13,200
do you feel that you were misinformed by

3766
02:35:24,710 --> 02:35:21,030
anybody who is an air force office

3767
02:35:26,870 --> 02:35:24,720
of special engag investigations agent

3768
02:35:35,110 --> 02:35:26,880
that is their job

3769
02:35:35,120 --> 02:35:39,990
so yes or no

3770
02:35:44,870 --> 02:35:42,070
brad is giving me a signal that my mic

3771
02:35:46,790 --> 02:35:44,880
battery is going to die okay okay

3772
02:35:49,190 --> 02:35:46,800
so how about we wrap up with three more

3773
02:35:50,550 --> 02:35:49,200
questions does he have a time limit like

3774
02:35:52,309 --> 02:35:50,560
on the battery or does he just need to

3775
02:35:53,670 --> 02:35:52,319
switch it do you want to take a quick

3776
02:35:54,950 --> 02:35:53,680
break linda

3777
02:35:56,950 --> 02:35:54,960
do you want to take a bathroom break and

3778
02:35:57,750 --> 02:35:56,960
come back

3779
02:35:59,429 --> 02:35:57,760
well

3780
02:36:01,830 --> 02:35:59,439
i'd have to switch microphones

3781
02:36:03,830 --> 02:36:01,840
completely he's got to switch out the

3782
02:36:06,150 --> 02:36:03,840
microphones we can do that yeah why

3783
02:36:07,510 --> 02:36:06,160
don't we take a two minute break we can

3784
02:36:09,750 --> 02:36:07,520
use the washroom he can switch out the

3785
02:36:12,790 --> 02:36:09,760
microphones you can have some coffee

3786
02:36:15,670 --> 02:36:12,800
you can celebrate your birthday

3787
02:36:17,670 --> 02:36:15,680
well we're at 12 30 and we started at 10

3788
02:36:19,270 --> 02:36:17,680
that's two and a half hours we'll wrap

3789
02:36:21,590 --> 02:36:19,280
up shortly i just want to make sure that

3790
02:36:23,590 --> 02:36:21,600
i get to some of these burning what

3791
02:36:25,670 --> 02:36:23,600
about one question okay we've got one

3792
02:36:27,990 --> 02:36:25,680
question give me one more question and

3793
02:36:29,830 --> 02:36:28,000
then sure okay okay let's see this

3794
02:36:31,190 --> 02:36:29,840
question is a tough question you look

3795
02:36:33,510 --> 02:36:31,200
like a tough lady with your leather

3796
02:36:34,950 --> 02:36:33,520
jacket so this one comes from steve

3797
02:36:36,870 --> 02:36:34,960
kambian from

3798
02:36:38,550 --> 02:36:36,880
truth seekers

3799
02:36:41,510 --> 02:36:38,560
on your website there's a picture of a

3800
02:36:44,190 --> 02:36:41,520
genuine alien taken to the moon

3801
02:36:47,429 --> 02:36:44,200
and the image that you used was from a

3802
02:36:49,110 --> 02:36:47,439
2005 video game called area 51.

3803
02:36:50,950 --> 02:36:49,120
came being so steve kambian is referring

3804
02:36:52,870 --> 02:36:50,960
to himself in the third person came in

3805
02:36:54,630 --> 02:36:52,880
from truth seekers emailed you

3806
02:36:57,270 --> 02:36:54,640
as the proof that what you're selling

3807
02:36:59,590 --> 02:36:57,280
was from a video game and and then you

3808
02:37:00,710 --> 02:36:59,600
refused to change so okay so whatever

3809
02:37:02,150 --> 02:37:00,720
there's some accusations there do you

3810
02:37:05,429 --> 02:37:02,160
mind explaining to the audience what

3811
02:37:07,429 --> 02:37:05,439
that picture is about its provenance and

3812
02:37:09,030 --> 02:37:07,439
perhaps why you would not take it down

3813
02:37:12,630 --> 02:37:09,040
if someone showed you it was video game

3814
02:37:16,630 --> 02:37:15,030
are you talking what are you talking

3815
02:37:19,429 --> 02:37:16,640
about

3816
02:37:21,270 --> 02:37:19,439
okay i will show i can show the image

3817
02:37:23,429 --> 02:37:21,280
i don't have it printed here but i can

3818
02:37:25,910 --> 02:37:23,439
show you i can show the audience the

3819
02:37:27,670 --> 02:37:25,920
image at some point so are you so you're

3820
02:37:29,429 --> 02:37:27,680
on you don't know what is being referred

3821
02:37:32,230 --> 02:37:29,439
to here with the

3822
02:37:34,309 --> 02:37:32,240
video game cover art of area 51 and that

3823
02:37:36,469 --> 02:37:34,319
being used as a genuine image on your

3824
02:37:39,110 --> 02:37:36,479
website apparently i have no idea what

3825
02:37:40,870 --> 02:37:39,120
you're talking about

3826
02:37:42,389 --> 02:37:40,880
okay so let's choose different question

3827
02:37:43,990 --> 02:37:42,399
this one comes from the unidentified

3828
02:37:46,389 --> 02:37:44,000
celebrity review

3829
02:37:48,630 --> 02:37:46,399
at lou angeles has there ever been a

3830
02:37:50,550 --> 02:37:48,640
case that you had to redact because the

3831
02:37:53,349 --> 02:37:50,560
information was incorrect and if so

3832
02:37:56,309 --> 02:37:53,359
which case thank you so much huge linda

3833
02:38:01,910 --> 02:37:59,190
kurt i don't know why you are reducing

3834
02:38:06,469 --> 02:38:01,920
the interview to this kind of

3835
02:38:09,429 --> 02:38:08,150
i have been

3836
02:38:11,750 --> 02:38:09,439
working

3837
02:38:15,510 --> 02:38:11,760
as a professional journalist

3838
02:38:22,070 --> 02:38:19,190
i started at knbc television

3839
02:38:24,389 --> 02:38:22,080
i went to abc in boston

3840
02:38:28,630 --> 02:38:24,399
i was hired to be director of special

3841
02:38:31,110 --> 02:38:28,640
projects at the cbs station in denver

3842
02:38:35,110 --> 02:38:31,120
i have corrected

3843
02:38:38,389 --> 02:38:35,120
a million scripts i have no idea

3844
02:38:40,389 --> 02:38:38,399
40 50 years how many scripts

3845
02:38:43,429 --> 02:38:40,399
information

3846
02:38:46,070 --> 02:38:43,439
that is just elementary to being a

3847
02:38:48,870 --> 02:38:46,080
professional journalist and i have a

3848
02:38:52,950 --> 02:38:48,880
tremendous number of awards that are

3849
02:38:54,309 --> 02:38:52,960
even in boxes 35 40 professional awards

3850
02:38:56,469 --> 02:38:54,319
as a journalist

3851
02:38:59,510 --> 02:38:56,479
why you would end up

3852
02:39:03,190 --> 02:38:59,520
with some kind of a stupid question like

3853
02:39:07,510 --> 02:39:05,590
it's hostile kurt

3854
02:39:10,070 --> 02:39:07,520
why would you do this

3855
02:39:14,389 --> 02:39:10,080
it's from it's meaningless

3856
02:39:19,510 --> 02:39:16,870
what i mean why are you playing now

3857
02:39:21,750 --> 02:39:19,520
we're going to trap linda in some if

3858
02:39:24,070 --> 02:39:21,760
this is ridiculous

3859
02:39:25,750 --> 02:39:24,080
i'm asking some of the most upvoted

3860
02:39:27,670 --> 02:39:25,760
questions so there's the sentiment in

3861
02:39:29,750 --> 02:39:27,680
the community that you're a great

3862
02:39:32,630 --> 02:39:29,760
investigative reporter especially your

3863
02:39:34,870 --> 02:39:32,640
early work and that toward the end of

3864
02:39:37,030 --> 02:39:34,880
the career perhaps

3865
02:39:39,349 --> 02:39:37,040
not as much due diligence in vetting

3866
02:39:41,590 --> 02:39:39,359
sources this is just a perception so

3867
02:39:45,190 --> 02:39:41,600
that's why people are upvoting it by

3868
02:39:47,590 --> 02:39:45,200
whom that's not my relationship with the

3869
02:39:51,190 --> 02:39:49,110
i'm just telling you

3870
02:39:53,270 --> 02:39:51,200
this is what many people have upvoted so

3871
02:39:56,389 --> 02:39:53,280
i'm asking the questions that people

3872
02:39:58,550 --> 02:39:56,399
are interested in knowing the answer to

3873
02:40:03,750 --> 02:39:58,560
you're accusing me

3874
02:40:08,630 --> 02:40:06,150
and i have just celebrated my 80th

3875
02:40:10,870 --> 02:40:08,640
revolution around the sun

3876
02:40:15,190 --> 02:40:10,880
i have produced literally

3877
02:40:17,349 --> 02:40:15,200
a few thousand reports at our files.com

3878
02:40:19,830 --> 02:40:17,359
many many many documentaries for

3879
02:40:22,230 --> 02:40:19,840
television broadcast

3880
02:40:24,309 --> 02:40:22,240
there is something about this kurt that

3881
02:40:25,349 --> 02:40:24,319
just feels

3882
02:40:30,790 --> 02:40:25,359
so

3883
02:40:36,790 --> 02:40:34,230
i i am doing hard investigation every

3884
02:40:41,750 --> 02:40:36,800
day and every week of my life on a

3885
02:40:47,030 --> 02:40:44,630
i ask even louis alessando i ask many

3886
02:40:49,429 --> 02:40:47,040
people similar questions about ndas and

3887
02:40:52,070 --> 02:40:49,439
is this piece of evidence proof is it

3888
02:40:54,230 --> 02:40:52,080
proof do you have a public

3889
02:40:56,790 --> 02:40:54,240
record of so and so it's not as if this

3890
02:40:59,030 --> 02:40:56,800
is such a strange question

3891
02:41:01,349 --> 02:40:59,040
oh you just said it's because you have a

3892
02:41:05,429 --> 02:41:01,359
reputation

3893
02:41:11,349 --> 02:41:08,389
i argue with that from the face of how

3894
02:41:14,070 --> 02:41:11,359
much i have produced that is

3895
02:41:18,630 --> 02:41:14,080
between my books my documentaries the

3896
02:41:21,750 --> 02:41:18,640
3000 earth files reports and on and on

3897
02:41:24,070 --> 02:41:21,760
the 15 years of the work i've done with

3898
02:41:25,750 --> 02:41:24,080
ancient aliens

3899
02:41:27,830 --> 02:41:25,760
it's the opposite

3900
02:41:30,070 --> 02:41:27,840
i'm come to all the time because people

3901
02:41:32,870 --> 02:41:30,080
say you do the best most credible

3902
02:41:35,750 --> 02:41:32,880
journalism in the field that's what i

3903
02:41:39,349 --> 02:41:36,950
okay

3904
02:41:43,269 --> 02:41:41,110
i'm glad that you hear that

3905
02:41:45,590 --> 02:41:43,279
it's great it's great to hear that i

3906
02:41:47,110 --> 02:41:45,600
hope i'm not trying to be accusatory i'm

3907
02:41:49,429 --> 02:41:47,120
simply trying to ask the question that

3908
02:41:50,790 --> 02:41:49,439
many people are

3909
02:41:52,870 --> 02:41:50,800
are wondering and that for whatever

3910
02:41:58,389 --> 02:41:52,880
reason other people aren't asking

3911
02:41:58,399 --> 02:42:04,710
many people are asking what

3912
02:42:08,630 --> 02:42:06,630
okay so i'm just

3913
02:42:11,030 --> 02:42:08,640
every time i read you a question it's

3914
02:42:12,790 --> 02:42:11,040
either taken from twitter or the live

3915
02:42:13,750 --> 02:42:12,800
chat or

3916
02:42:17,670 --> 02:42:13,760
from

3917
02:42:20,309 --> 02:42:17,680
there are likes and upvotes and people's

3918
02:42:21,510 --> 02:42:20,319
comments on comments and so i'm looking

3919
02:42:23,910 --> 02:42:21,520
at okay what are the questions that

3920
02:42:31,110 --> 02:42:23,920
people want to know the answer to most

3921
02:42:31,120 --> 02:42:35,429
is that not fair

3922
02:43:01,750 --> 02:42:37,590
uh nothing about the last 20 minutes

3923
02:43:10,870 --> 02:43:06,389
well

3924
02:43:11,990 --> 02:43:10,880
and i apologize that

3925
02:43:26,150 --> 02:43:12,000
that

3926
02:43:36,389 --> 02:43:27,269
uh

3927
02:43:42,550 --> 02:43:38,550
i'm a professional

3928
02:43:42,560 --> 02:43:48,630
i have a tremendous number of awards

3929
02:43:52,950 --> 02:43:51,030
from my point of view i know how hard i

3930
02:43:55,349 --> 02:43:52,960
work for facts

3931
02:43:57,030 --> 02:43:55,359
and that i take on subjects that some

3932
02:44:02,389 --> 02:43:57,040
people won't touch

3933
02:44:06,469 --> 02:44:04,870
that's my answer

3934
02:44:14,469 --> 02:44:06,479
thank you linda thank you so much for

3935
02:44:17,590 --> 02:44:16,070
all right i'll stick around and i'll

3936
02:44:19,269 --> 02:44:17,600
answer some audience questions if you

3937
02:44:21,590 --> 02:44:19,279
have any

3938
02:44:23,590 --> 02:44:21,600
all right well i didn't expect it to go

3939
02:44:25,510 --> 02:44:23,600
like that i feel bad i did not mean to

3940
02:44:26,870 --> 02:44:25,520
accost linda i didn't under i didn't

3941
02:44:32,950 --> 02:44:26,880
think that she would interpret those

3942
02:44:37,750 --> 02:44:35,670
but it's great now i know now i

3943
02:44:39,190 --> 02:44:37,760
i understand so for the next time i'll

3944
02:44:42,230 --> 02:44:39,200
be more

3945
02:44:46,070 --> 02:44:43,349
well

3946
02:44:46,950 --> 02:44:46,080
i'll broach the subject differently

3947
02:44:48,870 --> 02:44:46,960
because

3948
02:44:51,269 --> 02:44:48,880
otherwise i can't just have a certain

3949
02:44:54,070 --> 02:44:51,279
subject for example what is the piece of

3950
02:44:56,150 --> 02:44:54,080
evidence for x y or z and then not ask

3951
02:44:57,510 --> 02:44:56,160
that question so the topic needs to be

3952
02:44:58,950 --> 02:44:57,520
broached i could have broached it

3953
02:45:00,389 --> 02:44:58,960
differently

3954
02:45:02,309 --> 02:45:00,399
mark says

3955
02:45:03,830 --> 02:45:02,319
you did nothing wrong she was defensive

3956
02:45:05,510 --> 02:45:03,840
i don't i don't know about that i'm sure

3957
02:45:08,070 --> 02:45:05,520
i've done plenty wrong i'll be watching

3958
02:45:10,630 --> 02:45:08,080
it and then i'll i'll make some notes

3959
02:45:12,230 --> 02:45:10,640
okay well everyone thank you so much i

3960
02:45:14,389 --> 02:45:12,240
appreciate you

3961
02:45:16,550 --> 02:45:14,399
coming out and watching this

3962
02:45:18,230 --> 02:45:16,560
just so you know okay so someone just

3963
02:45:20,309 --> 02:45:18,240
donated and asks

3964
02:45:22,389 --> 02:45:20,319
warhammer badly says were you satisfied

3965
02:45:23,830 --> 02:45:22,399
with her answers she was asked about ce5

3966
02:45:26,710 --> 02:45:23,840
in other interviews and gave different

3967
02:45:29,030 --> 02:45:26,720
answers were i satisfied well sometimes

3968
02:45:31,030 --> 02:45:29,040
the answers were quite lengthy and it

3969
02:45:32,710 --> 02:45:31,040
was difficult for me to see

3970
02:45:34,230 --> 02:45:32,720
where the answer was to the question

3971
02:45:37,590 --> 02:45:34,240
that i asked

3972
02:45:39,349 --> 02:45:37,600
however when i did hear an answer i was

3973
02:45:40,790 --> 02:45:39,359
satisfied though

3974
02:45:42,710 --> 02:45:40,800
satisfied is a strange word because i

3975
02:45:45,030 --> 02:45:42,720
have 40 questions that come from one

3976
02:45:56,469 --> 02:45:45,040
question

3977
02:46:08,150 --> 02:45:58,469
well

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okay everyone thank you so much i

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appreciate you coming out i should get

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going

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okay and just so you know i'll be

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interviewing someone named salvador

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peace in perhaps one or two weeks

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and salvatore is a huge fan of someone

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named stefan alexander he's a physicist

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a string theorist in particular

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and there's the previous interview the

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one that's up recently on the channel

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is with him and sal told me

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how much he loves stefan alexander and

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loves that interview we may

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be referencing some of the equations

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02:46:45,830 --> 02:46:42,960
from that interview

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i'll leave it here and in that interview

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if you want you can watch it it's

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extremely technical

3997
02:46:51,670 --> 02:46:50,880
if you want to prep for when we speak to

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sal

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navy patents with a fine-tooth comb i

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don't know if i can do that in

4001
02:47:04,870 --> 02:47:00,399
given the short time frame but i can

4002
02:47:09,990 --> 02:47:07,110
matt shapiro said matt sapiro says kurt

4003
02:47:11,990 --> 02:47:10,000
you should feel bad that was pathetic

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02:47:15,110 --> 02:47:12,000
free juice says curtis mate

4005
02:47:18,309 --> 02:47:16,630
luke says you did nothing wrong don't

4006
02:47:20,950 --> 02:47:18,319
beat yourself up well it seems like it's

4007
02:47:22,950 --> 02:47:20,960
a mixture so we'll see we'll see i'll

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02:47:24,550 --> 02:47:22,960
learn from this hopefully i'll re-watch

4009
02:47:26,469 --> 02:47:24,560
it and make some notes

4010
02:47:28,790 --> 02:47:26,479
i feel embarrassed for myself to be

4011
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quite honest and i

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02:47:35,429 --> 02:47:32,000
i i'm holding back my own cringe toward

4013
02:47:39,750 --> 02:47:37,670
okay anyway everyone thank you so much i

4014
02:47:41,349 --> 02:47:39,760
appreciate there's many many people many

4015
02:47:43,349 --> 02:47:41,359
people saying kurt we stand by you i

4016
02:47:45,429 --> 02:47:43,359
appreciate that thank you krusty

4017
02:47:47,590 --> 02:47:45,439
thank you dirt flyer thank you free

4018
02:47:50,150 --> 02:47:47,600
juice thank you

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02:47:51,429 --> 02:47:50,160
bert jan bolink there's so many people

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thank you all

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thank you greg o'brien for

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02:47:58,469 --> 02:47:56,160
moderating thank you

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and

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the podcast is now finished if you'd

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then do consider going to patreon.com

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